Obama's back, and Springfield's got him

Saturday, November 1, 2008 | 9:16 p.m. CDT

SPRINGFIELD—Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was returning to one of Missouri's stronger Republican areas for a Saturday evening rally at a high school football stadium.

It will be his fourth Missouri campaign event in the past two weeks, having already hit the state's other largest metro areas of St. Louis, Kansas City and Columbia.

Polls have shown Obama and Republican presidential candidate John McCain essentially even in Missouri.

A spokesman for Obama's campaign said their hope is to get voters excited and ready to show up for Election Day on Tuesday.

"We're not taking any corner of this state for granted," Obama spokesman Justin Hamilton said. "We have a lot of supporters in Springfield and want to show them how important they are."

Springfield is traditional Republican territory and the home of GOP Gov. Matt Blunt. Obama and John McCain each held rallies in the city this summer before their parties' national conventions. And vice presidential candidates Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden also have campaigned in Springfield.

The swing-state of Missouri accounts for 11 electoral votes and has voted for the presidential winner every time but once in the last century, when the state picked Adlai Stevenson instead of President Dwight Eisenhower in 1956.

Campaigns often spend the final days trying to energize supporters and drive up turnout in friendly areas. Obama's decision to campaign in Republican territory left political scientist George Connor trying to understand his strategy.

Connor, of Missouri State University, said he couldn't think of another example where a candidate went into an opponent's base so late in the campaign.

"I can't imagine what the strategists are thinking," Connor said. "I guess they think they have milked every vote in Kansas City, St. Louis and the suburbs, so why not go to Springfield."

The closest example seems to be when Claire McCaskill, a Democrat, knocked off Republican Jim Talent in the 2006 U.S. Senate race. McCaskill focused on Missouri's cities but worked to drive down Talent's victory margins in the state's rural areas.

Obama, who counts McCaskill among his supporters, has tried to do the same thing. He's held rallies that have drawn an estimated 40,000 people in Columbia, about 75,000 in Kansas City and an estimated 100,000 people under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis. But the Illinois senator has opened up dozens of Missouri field offices, many in rural and Republican-leaning areas.

Capping off the outstate Missouri effort with a large, boisterous rally could backfire and do John McCain's campaign a favor by highlighting the differences between the candidates and energizing Republican voters, Connor said.

"There are people in southwest Missouri who are fearful with an Obama presidency," Connor said.

McCain's co-chairman in Missouri, former state Rep. Jack Jackson, said Republicans are developing momentum in the final days before the election. Jackson said Obama's swing through Springfield shows that the Democrats are concerned.

"That tells me that the Democratic nominee is very worried about losing Missouri, when he tries to go into a serious Republican stronghold and take votes there," Jackson said.




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Louise Leonard November 2, 2008 | 1:02 p.m.

Do you want to help the rich get richer while you get poorer?
Obama will lower taxes for middle-class and lower-income Americans. McCain will keep taxes the way they are now—rich people and big oil companies get tax cuts, but not you. You have to make up the difference. We live in Missouri, where even a single vote can determine whether America succeeds or is destroyed. Be sure to go to the polls Tuesday!

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John Schultz November 2, 2008 | 1:54 p.m.

Wrong, McCain has proposed cutting taxes across the board. According the graphic I saw, it was as deep of cuts as Obama, but then I don't think either candidate is going to rein in spending to offset their tax cuts. That's why I'm voting for Bob Barr on Tuesday.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 2, 2008 | 2:04 p.m.

If you people would realize that whomever gets into office has to work at fixing Jr's screw ups over the last 8 years and that is not going to be easy. Figure the first year shot in just working through all of the B.S. out there by Jr.

Obama/Biden said themselves it will take them together working with Congress 6 - 8 months of hard work.

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Ayn Rand November 2, 2008 | 4:21 p.m.

The poor can get rich if they make smart, responsible decisions. Just look at all of the immigrants who come here with nothing and, after a decade of hard work, have successful businesses. Meanwhile, Jimmy WT, who knocked up his girlfriend in high school and dropped out, can't find a job paying more than minimum wage.

What we need is somebody like Bob Barr as president, somebody who will slash government programs to the bone, forcing people who make bad decisions to sink or swim, while those who are hard-working and responsible get to keep most of what they earn.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 2, 2008 | 4:32 p.m.

Ayn Rand you fail to present that alot of those illegal immigrants/aliens get so much in Social Welfare and free everything to begin with that they cannot help but make it rich.

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Ayn Rand November 2, 2008 | 4:48 p.m.

Is this like all of your posts about how Section 8 residents are largely responsible for the recent crime wave? You never could cite data to back up your claims. And it's ironic to hear that complaint from someone who lives in public housing.

So let's see some data that show the percentage of immigrants who are on welfare.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 2, 2008 | 5:17 p.m.

Plenty of data Ayn Rand has been represented from all over the United States in many cities and across the internet itself. It is not my fault you could not follow up on the information provided by myself and others that proved the points presented beyond any doubts.

It just shows your lack of an education on that issue as well but that really seems to be your track record here over your posting career.

You have still failed to answer my one question of "what is a true disability".

Why should anybody here take anything you post seriously or even consider your posts as any kind of a factor of opinion.

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John Schultz November 2, 2008 | 5:36 p.m.

And yet, Phil Steinhaus of CHA says that a very small number of Section 8 residents commit crimes, and that they are also booted out of Section 8 housing if they commit a serious crime or have done so in the previous five years.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 2, 2008 | 6:13 p.m.

It is not so much the actual renter or voucher user themselves it is the boyfriends,girlfriends,family members or friends that move in with that Section 8 person and thus cause the Section 8 user to get caught up into the mess due to those who are "using" that Section 8 users as a "pick" do not care because it is not themself on the line to lose their home and if one "pick" loses their place they just find another "pick".

That is how it works John Schultz.

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Ayn Rand November 2, 2008 | 6:54 p.m.

"What's remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn't need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life.
You see, I know because I've had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days in a week, much less, 6 days. People always looking for a way to put less effort out. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I just would first pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices to apply to get free government handouts (gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?). You see, all of this comes from your entitlement mentality culture. "

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Charles Dudley Jr November 3, 2008 | 4:26 a.m.

lol nice plagiarism Any Rant. You prove nothing though.

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Ayn Rand November 3, 2008 | 6:33 a.m.

Chuck, do you even know what plagiarism is? I posted a link and an excerpt from that link. Clearly you don't understand what quotation marks signify.

Here's another one for you:

On my way to lunch recently, I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama; I need the money.' I laughed. In a restaurant my server had on an 'Obama 08' tie. Again I laughed. Just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came, I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Barack-Obama-redistribution-of-wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need—the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment, I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application."

And here's one that hits the mark:

"Enough about Joe the Plumber! I haven’t heard either candidate discuss what they plan to do about Susie the Welfare Recipient. Able-bodied but illiterate Susie, who has never worked a day in her life and has no intention of starting, is the role model for her five uneducated kids. Barack Obama said he would help welfare recipients willing to work. What about the others? People who get up and go to work every day resent funding Susie’s lifestyle, and politicians underestimate our anger. Many of us would like to know what the next president has in mind to remedy the situation."

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Ed Ricciotti November 3, 2008 | 7:25 a.m.

Susie the "welfare" recipient under TANF (formally AFDC) has a lifetime benefit of 5 years. It is very unlikely she will spend an entire lifetime not working. This was changed under the Clinton administration. As for her children's education, we as a community provide free public education. Right now, if "Susie" chooses not to work, she will be without benefits very quickly.

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Ayn Rand November 3, 2008 | 7:33 a.m.

Unless she lives in a state that takes over that burden after TANF runs out. Also, don't forget that Susie can continue to pop out kids to get additional money for the better part of two decades per kid. Then all she has to do is spend the bare minimum on the kids and pocket the rest.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 3, 2008 | 11:01 a.m.

Any Rant your postings are moot to me anymore since you obviously are to cowardly to use your real name here as is required by the rules of this site.

You have no accountability here as far as I am concerned nor do you have any accountability in the community either as far as I am concerned.

Have fun talking to yourself.

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Marcie McShane November 3, 2008 | 11:50 a.m.

Charles, I read your postings here for a very long time before I ever posted one myself. It seems you repeatedly call anyone who does not agree with you "uneducated". Which only shows your ignorance. If you actually think Obama or McCain are going to solve your problems, you're "uneducated". Again, typical for you, you're counting on government to take care of everything for you.
Saying that it's not the Section 8 resident's fault if their boyfriends, girlfriends, family or friends move in and "cause" problems and "use" that Section 8 resident is just typical of your ideals of lack of personal responsibility. Ever heard the work "no". If you've got these people in your home causing problems you can kick them out, lock the door, call the police. Nobody can "use" you or take advantage of you unless you let them. Again, personal accountability. I know that'a concept you just can't grasp.
Charles, you seem to have a lot of time to spend on the computer and appear to be quite skilled at researching on the computer with all your citations in your posts. Did you know that there are actually jobs that pay to do that?
What is your description of a true disability?? I've had one for 35 years, and despite the recommendations to file a disability claim from a friend who is a federal judge who hears social security claims, I've never done so. I continue to work. Is it difficult? You bet. Will I one day get to the point where I need to file a claim? Hopefully not, but if I do atleast I'll know I spent a lot of years working hard to avoid it and paying in to the system that could help me. Reap what you sow, Charles!

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Jimmy Bearfield November 3, 2008 | 12:36 p.m.

Speaking of judges, a disability didn't get a certain someone off the hook last year for property damage. Too bad that judge doesn't also get to decide who gets to live on the dole!

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Charles Dudley Jr November 3, 2008 | 5:51 p.m.

Wow Marcie McShane where to even start or really is it needed to respond but here goes.

I post from a point of view where obviously you have not been from which can be a good thing as varied opinions of life do make this world go around.

Opinions like yours though of me with out actually knowing whom I really am are "uneducated" but that is ok you can have your opinion and I can have mine at least with mine though I back up with facts presented while yours are so much conjecture just like farting flatuous to the wind and hold no weight nor accountability. At least in my book.

Once again for clarity my opinion is based on my life experiences in situations,places,events,times and years of hardship you have not been down the road of.

I need not explain my own personal disability with you here as you request but I did ask "Any Rant" what a true disability actually is since "Any Rant" claims that psychological problems/illnesses are not true disabilities so there fore the question which "Any Rant" fails to still answer.

Congratulations on your job that is very good for you but not all psychologically disabled citizens can hold full or part time jobs or if they try to they end up in worse problems with their disabilities and either end up quitting,getting fired,going backward in their own recovery process or often times taking more medications and often times it can be any combination of the latter that can lead to a total relapse and a total loss of all recovery worked for and gained. Citizens with psychological difficulties after they have a relapse do not always come back out of it the same and in fact it often leads to complicating the illness more.

Is the latter mentioned something you think that disabled citizens should be forced or coerced into going through just because you or "Any Rant" think they must hold a job?

If you do that is pretty inhumane in my book and the books of other disabled citizens advocacy groups as well.

It is funny you say "reap what I sow" that is too funny because if I go out to sow good things with out expecting anything in return for sowing those good deeds how much do you actually think I will be rewarded in return over the long run of time? Ten fold? Hundred fold? Thousand fold? Or is it a number you yourself just have no idea about?

You are funny because you think I actually expect something from somebody or people or whomever or whatever. Let me clue you in here to a little fact. If I have had nothing all of my life then everything I receive no matter how I receive it is a true blessing and truly appreciated as such. Before you think you know me come walk the day in my shoes,doing the things I do for those less fortunate than I am on a daily basis.

What did you do today to do something for somebody worse off than you Marcie McShane? Or did you put yourself first and foremost all of the day long?

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Marcie McShane November 3, 2008 | 6:32 p.m.

Charles, you also have no idea where I've been. My opinions are based on my life experiences as well, but you seem to think they couldn't have been as difficult as yours. But you don't know that. And I did not ask what your personal disability is, I asked you what a "true disability" is. And since you asked today I did spend my afternoon doing yardwork and clearing leaves for two of my neighbors who are elderly and are not able to do so. They need the help and are appreciative. And tomorrow, after voting early, I plan to spend the rest of the day transporting those who are not able to their polling places. You, Charles, cannot see that anyone outside your narrow space of perception may have struggles as well. If personal accountability doesn't count in your book, that is a sad state of mind in which to dwell. I'll leave you to own flatulance. Just don't send your negativity blowing my way.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 3, 2008 | 7:33 p.m.

Marcie McShane for your information I was not the first to bring up the "True Disability Statement" that was "Any Rant" and I asked "Any Rant" what was meant by that to which I have to still get a reply.

I myself do not,nor ever have discriminated against what is a disability and what is not a disability.

IMHO all illnesses of all types are "disabilities" of some form or another but I also do believe that all illnesses have different levels of severity as well.


Congratulations on helping your neighbors. I do that alot myself daily as well. I will be doing the same tomorrow as well just like I do everyday.

In closing nobody says you have to like my views nor I yours so if you do not like my views posted just scroll on by because really I do not post for you I post for those who might want a different view than the same ole ones given here by those who cannot back up what they post.

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Ayn Rand November 3, 2008 | 8:57 p.m.

Chuck, if you can spend all day on the computer, then your disabilities aren't severe enough to prevent you from holding down a full-time job. You need to get off the wagon and start pulling.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 4, 2008 | 3:49 a.m.

Any Rant I was not going to comment further on your obvious uneducated ranting but since you persist in attack mode then I guess I will.

I am not on the computer all day as you suggest. I am on the computer in sessions as I get time from other things that I do in real life whether that be volunteer work,part time work,setting up for future entrepreneur opportunities or whatever. Those things I do are none of your business we will clarify as well.

Also my disabilities often times prevent me from dealing with people all day long in various work environments due to "stressors" that are beyond my control and being "overly medicated" is not the answer either. Any licensed psychiatrist will tell you the same thing with people that have psychological difficulties that more "medication" is not the answer in so many cases especially if it causes the subject to be less effective in all aspects of functionality.

By your obvious lack of an education in these areas once again you have showed you really do not know the depth of how alot of psychological difficulties affect different people.

In reality Any Rant people who are so uneducated in this issue such as yourself make me and others who work daily for disability advocacy want to work that much harder to prove our points to end this and all forms of discrimination by uneducated citizens like you.

By your rantings here in protest against the disabled as a whole you push our cause that much more to the front and further the cause for more education in schools,churches,homes and in the public in general so in time this plague of the uneducated can be someday removed.

The only excuse Any Rant for the uneducated like yourself is the unwillingness to learn and that itself is a worse disability on the social level than any other.

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Ayn Rand November 4, 2008 | 6:12 a.m.

Chuck, you ARE on the computer all day. If you're not here, you're on the Trib board, or on one of your blogs, doing MMOG stuff or writing yet another letter to the editor.

You need to understand that having a disability does not automatically make one disabled. If you can raise a finger, you can and should work. Period.

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Charles Dudley Jr November 4, 2008 | 11:39 a.m.

Ayn Rand you are just so clueless. How do you know I am online every minute of the day? You do not and that is a fact.

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Ayn Rand November 4, 2008 | 11:58 a.m.

Chuck, on the Trib board alone, you are averaging 21 posts a day, not counting posts on individual Trib reporters' blogs. You have posted hundreds of times on this board. Plus you maintain two blogs, write letters to the editors, correspond with Karl Skala and do all of that MMOG stuff. You need to be putting that time and energy into a JOB. Stop sponging off of the rest of us.

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Jake Sherlock November 4, 2008 | 12:28 p.m.

Ayn, Charles,

Just for today, could we please put the feud on hold and let other citizens weigh in with their election thoughts?

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Charles Dudley Jr November 4, 2008 | 12:32 p.m.

Np problems there Jake I was just responding the continual attacks.

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Ayn Rand November 4, 2008 | 3:56 p.m.

I'd argue that whether or not able-bodied adults should be working IS an election issue. After all, Obama wants to take more money from those who work and give it to those who CHOOSE not to.

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