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LETTER: Help the Humane Society win a shelter makeover

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 | 1:52 p.m. CST; updated 7:41 p.m. CDT, Thursday, March 19, 2009

Please take a couple of minutes to help the Central Missouri Humane Society win a free shelter makeover from Zootoo.com. We are in the first phase (the point-accumulating phase) of the contest, and CMHS is currently in 4th place. March 13 is the final day of the point-accumulating phase, so time is of the essence. Next, the Zootoo crew will make site visits to the top 20 shelters and they will decide on the final 10. After that, is the final phase, "America Votes." You’re eligible to vote for CMHS to win the makeover as long as you join Zootoo (it’s free) and post a picture, any picture, on your profile. Don’t worry; the picture doesn’t need to be a picture of you. It could be a picture of your pet, a flower, the floor, anything. In the final voting phase, which will be April 4-24, you can vote for your shelter 10 times per day.

The awesome campaign for CMHS started with two 13-year-old girls when CMHS was in 859th place. With their perseverance and undying commitment, Libby Burks and Amanda Huhman have propelled CMHS to be one of the forerunners in this contest. Win or lose, these two young ladies deserve recognition for their accomplishments. You can help give them recognition by joining Zootoo.com.

Here’s what you need to do to join:

1. Go to www.zootoo.com/makeover/

2. Click “Join Zootoo Now” in the upper right part of the screen.

3. Fill out the registration information - don’t worry, there is an option to keep your name from displaying once you are a member.

4. Enter your zip code, and click on “View Eligible Shelters.” You will get a list of shelters in your area to support. Choose “Central Missouri Humane Society.”

5. Make sure the terms and conditions check box is checked (be sure you agree to be bound by them, whether you’ve actually read them or not).

6. Click "Submit."

7. You should receive an e-mail from Zootoo shortly after registering. There will be a link you need to click to validate your e-mail address. Click it.

8. Start earning points.

I hope you will join in the effort to win a free shelter makeover for the Central Missouri Humane Society. They are in dire need.


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Mike Martin February 24, 2009 | 10:01 p.m.

Outstanding documentary video about why the Central Missouri Humane Society needs help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVlrRUsNu...

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 3:55 a.m.

What I cannot believe is that the staff there has let all of that stuff pile up everywhere including the laundry room.

It was not that way in 2001. That would never have been allowed before.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 3:59 a.m.

An added note: When there was a dog that was overly barking we would just put a blanket over the gate to the run that seemed to help alot.

One thing that helped too was we had a radio on as well in the back that seemed to help calm the dogs down. Usually when no humans were in the back the dogs were quite mostly.

Also giving the dogs "Kongs" toys to play with and chew on helped. You put a tiny dog biscuit into the Kong and it will keep the dog entertained for hours on end.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 12:33 p.m.

Chuck, the laundry is piled up because the washing machines keep breaking down. The staff and volunteers have been taking loads home for weeks.

Maybe now that Animal Control has moved out, they can put commercial units in their old office.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 12:43 p.m.

Ayn Rand that is not dirty laundry by far that is all folded and stored laundry that you see in the video stacked not only in the laundry room but at the rear of the main kennel area and is a real fire hazard of sorts and all of the crates stacked up all around the outside too is just a mess.

I would hate to see what the garage looks like inside.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 1:30 p.m.

Chuck, the clean and dirty laundry is stacked up everywhere because the break-downs have had a ripple effect. You don't work there anymore, remember?

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 1:58 p.m.

Ayn Rand doesn't matter if I work there or not the fact is all of that stacked up laundry around is a fire hazard especially in the laundry room and when I was working there those conditions would never ever been allowed to happen ever.

Truly the place has gone downhill radically.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 2:09 p.m.

Sure it matters. You're not there, so you have no idea what's going on.

Stop acting as if you were a key player at CMHS. Other people remember it differently: http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.p....

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 2:38 p.m.

Nowhere have I said I am a key player as you falsely present.

From that video that place looks like a tornado went through it. Now if they have cleaned it up they should post a new video for all to reference from.

I am though a concerned citizen with the right to post a public opinion and that is where I post from.

Get used to it as that will never change.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 3:28 p.m.

LOL. You wrote: "When I was working there those conditions would never ever been allowed to happen ever" and "Remember Tim and I built that wash room drain table and remember who got you the fencing contractor for all of that lovely chain link fencing that was installed out back that was billed to CMHS at cost? Ya you know who I am and remember those good things that got accomplished" (http://board.columbiatribune.com/index.p...).

Don't try to backpedal, like that time on the Tribune board where you got bagged for claiming that you had Karl Skala's ear.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 3:59 p.m.

Ayn Rand keep grasping at straws you only make yourself look the more stupid by default.

The fact is the video shows a condition and conditions that shelter should not be in.

There is no excuse for it no matter how much you try to justify it.

At the time I made that comment about Karl Skala we were in communication concerning the Adaptive Recreational Program at Paquin Tower and how to preserve it then and in the future thus the communication.

Great job at failing once again to make a comprehensive presentation of all of the real facts but only presenting what little you really know which is nothing.

Back on topic: Maybe the Fire Marshall should give the CMHS facility a check over after seeing all of that mess inside and outside of the building. What do they pay those kids to do anyway just sit at the front desk?

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 5:22 p.m.

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, what little you know about the CMHS facilities comes from a video rather than personal experience. Let those who work and volunteer there do their jobs as best they can. Don't keep trying to stir up trouble. That fire marshall crack is uncalled for.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 6:03 p.m.

Ayn Rand if the paid staff are doing their jobs that place would not look like it is now would it?

If they have made drastic changes then post up a new video.

The Fire Marshall comment was to ensure that all those blankets piled up everywhere are not near electrical sources that could short circuit in the middle of the night because the head exe director herself said the place is falling apart.

You are just so full of fail today.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 6:51 p.m.

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, there are far more volunteers than staff, and all of them are doing the best they can. Why don't you come down and pitch in?

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, you have acknowledged on the internets and in newspapers that many Paquin residents are pack rats to the point that it creates the potential for fires. To avoid such a tragedy, perhaps some of us will urge the fire department to inspect the building and urge the city to make good on its policy of enforcing clear pathways, etc. in residents' rooms.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 25, 2009 | 7:13 p.m.

Ayn Rand come pick me up and I just might take you up on that on a Saturday or Sunday morning or even a Holiday Morning too but only if you personally come pick me up so I can buy you a cup of coffee.

Be warned though that I work fast and do not mess around nor have time too either. Should I bring my chemical spray rig too that goes on the end of the water hose or are you going to delegate me to poop patrol. Either way is fine by me. Do they still scrub the kennel walls,gates and the floors to get those kennels really clean? or are you going to stick me on dish duty?

I do not think you are man or woman enough to want to follow up on your offer IMHO.

Ayn Rand call the Fire Marshall to Paquin all you want the problems are already fixed,the building in top form and we even got a handle now on all of the bug issues due to WinGate Pest Control(gotta give these guys a plug here since they have done such a great job).

You are far to late. lol

Keep on grasping those straws you will grab the short one some day.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 8:14 p.m.

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, I am not going to cart around a grown man. If you don't own a car, there is a bus stop a couple of blocks away from the shelter. In fact, the bus would be a good choice because that stop is the one that the Sec. 8 residents use, and thus you can berate them in person rather than on the internets.

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Liz Burks February 25, 2009 | 9:46 p.m.

As a volunteer at CMHS and the proud mom of Libby Burks, one of the young ladies who helped get the word out about Zootoo, I am amazed and dissapointed by the previous comments. The issue is very simple. The shelter was built in the mid 70's. Columbia has grown leaps and bounds, and so has our animal/pet population. How could a building built in the 70's possibly meet the needs of today. We have built housing, new schools, additions to hospitals, but our shelter is to deal with an incredible increase of animals in their 70's shelter. The awesome staff and volunteers do the best they can with what they have. I would be happy to pick you up and let you see for yourself the present situation the CMHS and staff are faced with daily. I bet when we were finished with our tour, you would run straight to your computer and log on as a new member of zootoo.com to help the shelter win the million dollar makeover! I look forward to your response!

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 6:46 a.m.

Liz, those two girls are absolutely wonderful. They're living proof that one person or just a few can make a huge difference.

Also, please ignore posts by Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles. He is part of an evil plot to bring down the internets by clogging them up with nonsensical rants.

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Liz Burks February 26, 2009 | 8:33 a.m.

Thanks Ayn for your kind words. The girls have certainly learned an important life lesson... they CAN make a difference! My offer is still out there for Mr. Dudley!

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Marcie McShane February 26, 2009 | 9:44 a.m.

Charles in Charge: You are so critical of the staff and volunteers at CMHS, you don't even take time to consider that these conditions are the result of the irresponsibility of pet owners in cental Missouri. These is no way that facility can handle the number of animals that come in because of people who won't spay/neuter, acquire animals they won't care for, and the myriad of other reasons animals come in to the shelter, not to mention the pupply mills in this state that get raided and send hordes of animals in! Instead of criticizing the staff and volunteers for their hard work, why don't you come up with some solutions for the pet population problems, since you seem to think you are so enlightened on all topics. We are all concerned citizens with a right to post a public opinion. And fortunately there are many trying to solve these problems. Why must you never cease to be so critical of people who are truly trying to improve things, and working hard in doing so. The people who are trying to solve these problems are not the ones who have created them and should not be criticized by the likes of you!

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 10:24 a.m.

For one how can all of those cages piled up outside be held to the owners of the animals that come in?

Isn't it staff's responsibility to keep the entire area free of excess clutter,trash,break down and stack the crates respectively by size and such after they are cleaned? When I worked there it was. What has changed?

Also how can all of of the excess laundry be held accountable to the people bringing animals in too?

Isn't that staff's responsibility to have all of the excess cleaned up bagged up and disposed of or donated to some other 501c3 organization appropriately?

I can be critical because when I worked there that place would not have been allowed to look like that on the inside of the facility nor on the outside either as the video depicts?

Does your own home look like that? Seriously?

If not then why should those animals have to live around that too?

Back in 2001 it was busy too as I am sure it is ten times as busy now by all of the various reports coming out but is that any reason for all of those crates to be left stacked up and scattered around or all of that excess laundry piled around everywhere?

Anybody with some common sense would say no it is not.

I have toured that facility all too many times and it disgusts the hell out of me to see it in the condition it is in today.

You people can make all of the excuses you want but in reality it is staff just not taking the extra few minutes to get something done. I saw it all too often with staff practically running to get out of the back to sit on the front desk all day.

Maybe that has changed but by the looks of that video it hasn't.

I think all that everybody is doing is great but if your staff is falling behind what is all of everybody's efforts really worth.

Ayn Rand knows where I live and can pick me up when he or she gets ready to but liker I said before they are not civil enough to do even that.

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Marcie McShane February 26, 2009 | 10:57 a.m.

These animals didn't get there by themselves! Animals don't clean up after themselves, either.
Too many irresponsbible pet owners equals too many pets coming in, added to too little space, too little money to provide basics equals an overcrowded, delapidated building. Have you thought that maybe the folded laundry is where it is because there is nowhere else to store it. There is not even room for all the animals, much less any extra storage space. I doubt you, Charles, and 30 of your friends put in this building trying to care for 900 animals each year would have a much different result. Your criticism of the CMHS staff is not constructive criticism, they don't have the funds to correct these situations. Nice that there was funding to fix the pest problem in your living quarters - think about what the situation would be if there hadn't been.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 11:23 a.m.

Marcie McShane stop making excuses.

How many employees are there?

How many volunteers do you have access too?

Stop making excuses.

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John Schultz February 26, 2009 | 11:51 a.m.

Chuck, you are a piece of work. If you don't think the shelter is being run properly, get down there and lend a hand, or donate some money. If you are the shelter guru you claimed to be in the past, you can have that volunteer squad whipped into shape in short order (as long as you don't run them off first).

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Marcie McShane February 26, 2009 | 12:07 p.m.

Not excuses, merely reality. Reality does not mean people are "making excuses".

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 1:20 p.m.

Chuck, the reason that the staff is always running back to the front desk is because there's usually several people waiting. The other Thursday, there were more than a dozen people in line. And no, I'm not going to cart a grown man there. Drive yourself or take the bus.

Marcie, click on the links posted above. I'm starting wondering if Chuck keeps complaining about CMHS because of how and why he left. Chuck, care to set the record straight?

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 2:29 p.m.

Marcie McShane I call B.S.!

Ayn Rand if you are not personable enough to come pick me up then obviously you yourself do not want me there bad enough.

Typical of you though. Talk the challenge but fail to pick up the laborers needed.

John Schultz same offer to you as well if you want my help come pick me up when you do your little packaging project you do but I doubt you are person enough either.

You would not even buy ray shapiro a lousy cup of coffee at CC Broilers nor attend a Community For Change Meeting held at the very library you go to meetings at alot.

All I hear are excuses.

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 2:36 p.m.

Chuck, you are a grown man. Your transportation cop-out is a joke. You had no trouble getting to the CMHS on your own when you worked there and when you "toured that facility all too many times," so why can't you get yourself there now? You have no problem taking the bus all over town, as you've posted many times here and elsewhere. So why is the shelter an impossible journey for you?

No wonder your fellow posters don't take you seriously.

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Mike Martin February 26, 2009 | 2:59 p.m.

Man, this is really getting ratcheted up in here. And I largely blame John Schultz for it (lol).

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 3:14 p.m.

Ayn Rand I had a car then and now I do not plus if you are wanting me there so bad you come pick me up then.

The fact is you don't want me there and so you refuse to pick me up.

Get over yourself.

As far as posters taking me seriously? In reality that is the farthest thing from my mind. The concept is get people motivated to think and get people into action and out of their slumbering mentality of pass it on to the next guy frame of mind.

Once again Ayn Rand and this is not rocket science even for you.

How many staff members are on the pay roll there?

How many volunteers does CHMS have access to if asked and scheduled properly?

Don't tell me with all of that labor available that you cannot keep that shelter maintained and clean and organized more than we see in the video because you do I call B.S.!

Stop making excuses for complacency. It makes you look bad.

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 3:23 p.m.

Again, Chuck, why can't you take the bus? And did you still have a car each of the times when you "toured that facility all too many times"?

Here's the staff list, Chuck: www.cmhspets.org/staff.htm. Count it for yourself.

As for volunteers, there are at least five in there in the mornings just to clean the kennels and get the dogs in the yard. There are several more in the afternoons. If you believe you cab do better, come and do so.

Stop making excuses. Put up or shut up.

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 3:25 p.m.

Freudian slip: cab. I meant can. Maybe I was subconsciously thinking of another way that Chuck could get himself there.

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John Schultz February 26, 2009 | 3:32 p.m.

Chuck, we regularly get over 75 volunteers during the MarineParents.com packing days, some from states away, so I certainly don't need to pay to pick you up or give you a ride. I don't really know that I would want you around if you act in-person like you do online. We're going to be doing some demolition work at their new location this weekend. Volunteers are welcome to show up and help in the tear down, but I'm not paying for your transportation.

It was quite convenient of Ray to invite himself to a cup of coffee at CC's considering I never made such an offer. Ray has an odd way of communicating online at times that makes it hard to tell if he is talking truth, trying to incite a response, or somewhere in between. For the record, the Boone County LP only held one or maybe two meetings at the library (I think Ray stopped in at one of those), and has not done so in years. And as I have told both you and Ray before, I'm a busy guy with a busy job and two growing kids. I'm not certain that this new organization deserves my time at this moment, but you can try to prove me wrong about that assessment.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 3:49 p.m.

Stop making excuses for complacency. It makes you look bad.

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Ayn Rand February 25, 2009 | 8:14 p.m.

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, I am not going to cart around a grown man. If you don't own a car, there is a bus stop a couple of blocks away from the shelter. In fact, the bus would be a good choice because that stop is the one that the Sec. 8 residents use, and thus you can berate them in person rather than on the internets.
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Oh now, come on Ayn. This might be the only opportunity for social interaction that Chuck gets for a while. Pick him up, let him buy you coffee. Surely you can stand him for an hour? Well not surely; but you could try.

He might have it in his mind that you are a female, and view this as a "dating opportunity".. If this is the case and all he is going to do is buy you coffee, whats the harm? LOL.

Rick.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 26, 2009 | 5:06 p.m.
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Jake Sherlock February 26, 2009 | 5:14 p.m.

I'd like to share with the "regulars" on this thread an e-mail I received today:
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Do you all not see any of the comments on the site's articles? Do you all not care about the article "trolls" that all they do day in and day out is bash comments made by everyone else?

It's the same 5-10 trolls each day. I loved, loovvveed your site before you implemented the comment system, and I understand the freedom of speech and need to let people comment on what you are writing, but 75-80% of the comments made are negative towards other people.

It really, really brings your site down (not to mention the Tribune's site, which now allows comments as well) to a level in which it is inadvertently a way to get people to subscribe to the printed word, rather than the web edition. I can't even stand to come here anymore and read anything, due to the people at the end of the articles bashing everyone else!

I understand also that I can simply "scroll past" the trolls, but when it's on nearly every article, every page, it really degrades the overall quality of your site.

Implement a forum or something and direct the people who want to comment there. The site overall looks great and has great functionality, it's just the people who decide to troll and bash everyone else, really degrades the overall experience quality of the site as a whole.
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I try not to be the heavy-handed moderator, especially because I enjoy reading your comments -- when they're about the news. But I have to concur with the e-mail writer: I get so tired of all the constant sniping back and forth. When Mike Martin from the Heart Beat wanted to ask a simple question on her today, he was sniped at. What good does that do any of us?

Please don't make me become the heavy-handed moderator. I'd hate to lose the good conversation we do have here.

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 5:23 p.m.

Charles Dudley Jr., the person who spends between 8 and 10 hours per day commenting on news articles, you post far, far more often that I do -- and possibly more than any other human being on the internets. On the Trib Board alone, you post an average of nearly 14 times per day. Yet you still find time to post on here, gaming boards, the Tribune's news stories and My Missourian. And those are just the places I know about. No doubt there are even more.

How do you do it?

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Ayn Rand February 26, 2009 | 5:25 p.m.

As someone suggested in another thread, limit the number of posts to five per poster per 24 hours. That also would limit the snowball effect because a lot of rants provoke more posts, right or wrong.

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Ricky Gurley February 26, 2009 | 7:19 p.m.

Jake Sherlock,

I read the email that you received. And I think you have to also remember the other side of the coin.

First of all, the person that sent you that email does not understand the first thing about Freedom Of Speech; because if they did then they would understand that it is not the "popular speech" that is important to protect, but the "unpopular speech" that is the MOST important to protect! That is the very key to free speech, that we can freely say whatever we want (EVEN IF IT IS UNPOPULAR), without fear of retribution and/or censorship..

Second of all, our right to free speech was designed to protect us from government abuse, not private company abuse i.e. Newspaper Forums. But, don't you think it is a bit ironic that you (i.e. Your Newspaper), would DEMAND the right to a free press and to free speech, but threaten to abuse these same rights of the people on this forum by making a veiled threat to censor their posts with "heavy handed moderator-ship"?

Which concept seems more harmful to your Newspaper, protecting your posters right to free speech, or demanding free speech, but not for your posters?

Rick.

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Matt Y February 26, 2009 | 8:04 p.m.

The trolling is the best part of this site.

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Jake Sherlock February 27, 2009 | 7:48 a.m.

Rick,

The e-mail I shared above is not the first one I've received. I've received several in the past few weeks from readers who are sick of the sniping that is happening on here. If bashing and trolling is the best you can do with your right to free speech, then please exercise your rights elsewhere.

The Missourian is committed to thoughtful conversation about the news in our community. The new opinion page that debuts in Sunday's print Missourian was redesigned with that in mind. We're planning to begin publishing comments left here and at the Missourian's other online haunts (Facebook, Twitter, etc. etc.) as part of that conversation initiative. We're planning a few other new features in opinion that are also designed to spur conversation.

All we're asking for is that you be civil and stay on topic. On behalf of all those who have complained about the trolling on the site, I thank you advance for your cooperation.

Jake Sherlock
Opinion editor

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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 9:08 a.m.

Statement To Jake Sherlock Part (1)

Jake Sherlock,

This statement looks fairly "pointed": "If bashing and trolling is the best you can do with your right to free speech, then please exercise your rights elsewhere".

But I am going to choose to believe that it was a general statement. Apparently you should research what "trolling" REALLY means.. But, please allow me to give you the classic definition of a "troll":

Troll: "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic
discussion".

In essence, a person is more than likely a troll if he makes 10 and 20 posts a day on a thread that are controversial and stir your readership into making emotional responses.

Here is what you may not be considering, Jake. Just because you have gotten say 10 letters that complain about what you refer to as "sniping", does not mean that there are not say 100 people that are happy with the freedom of speech that they are being afforded on here now.. The hardest thing for you to know is how many people here are happy now with The Missourian recognizing their right to free speech versus how many people here are displeased with the "sniping" as you like to call it. Deciding this without any relevant information could be a terrible error on your behalf. May I suggest that before you make ANY decision whatsoever in this area, why don't you use this forum to take a poll, and that way you can try to gather some relevant data as to what the majority thinks?

While you may be a teacher at the school of Journalism, it is clear that there are some things that you should research. For example; parody. Would you say calling someone "The Supreme Mental Midget" is a snipe, or parody? If you would consider that descriptor "parody", then would it surprise you to know that everyone here has a constitutional right to use it?

Now of course nobody can exercise their constitutional right to parody here, on your forum. But, with your threats to impede on such rights, your readership CAN choose to NOT read your paper, NOT support the School of Journalism if they are doing this in some way, NOT read this forum, and many other things, like write letters to the person in charge of this paper. These are all rights that your readership DOES have. And I would say, given enough "heavy handed moderator-ship" they may choose to exercise.

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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 9:09 a.m.

Statement To Jake Sherlock Part (2)

I suppose you can tell that I am heavily in favor of free speech. And I suppose you can also tel that I believe that people should be allowed to say what they want to say, within reason of course. Being reasonable means that they should be allowed to express their frustration, anger, resentment, and tell someone they are having a problem with on the forum how they feel; but not threaten someone else or write something that may cause harm to come to them.

I have been on the Internet a LONG time, and I KNOW what a "troll" is; I used to make money by ridding certain groups on UseNet of "trolls", mainly support groups. This issue you are bringing up is nothing new to me. Also as a fairly well established Private Investigator that has worked slander and libel type cases, I understand the concept of free speech better than you might know.

Ultimately, how you choose to run this forum is of no consequence to me whatsoever. However, it will represent to your readers how your Newspaper is also being ran. And who knows, the decisions you make here could determine the future of your Newspaper. Time will tell, and I suspect that I'll be around long enough to see...

Rick.

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Charles Dudley Jr February 27, 2009 | 9:37 a.m.

I think Jake said this as it needed to be said. If you do not like it you can go elsewhere.

Rick that is how it is as the Missourian runs this thing and not the readership and alot think and have told me they think the Missourian is fairly moderated.

Yes the trolling,baiting and sniping need to go. I find myself dragged into or the brunt of it all to often but I will not put up with it either. Then the war starts.

If you want real freedom of speech for all Rick go create your own site. That is what you and others told me to do.

This thread is so off topic it should be totally cleaned back to zero posts and allowed to start all over once again.

Thank you Jake and staff for doing a great job here.

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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 9:50 a.m.
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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 10:49 a.m.

Ahhh, let the "heavy handed moderation" begin.... LOL.

Rick.

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Rob Weir February 27, 2009 | 10:50 a.m.

I pruned this thread down a little, and took out a few comments that got overtly personal (or more than normally overtly personal, anyhow).

Look, folks, here's the deal: the Missourian is committed to fostering community conversation. We expect that debate to be open, honest and vigorous, and that people will sometimes get their feelings hurt. We're talking about ideas, after all, and Columbia is not short on people with those.

What we are not committed to is providing an open space solely for people to snipe at one another.

The fact is that the Missourian editors are pretty busy teaching, putting out a newspaper and a Web site, and trying to have semi-normal lives. So we let the site self-moderate to an extent. And we expect the people who use it to be capable of civil conversation. So please, folks, let's set aside the personal attacks for a while.

Rob Weir
Director of Digital Development
The Columbia Missourian
weirr@missouri.edu
573-882-5057

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Rob Weir February 27, 2009 | 10:53 a.m.

Rick: We reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to remove a comment, and also to revoke a user’s privilege to post content on our site. If you would prefer your posts not to be removed, the best way to ensure that happens is to not mock other posters.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/p/miss...

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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 11:15 a.m.

Rob Weir,

Do whatever you have to do. Like I stated earlier, it is YOUR forum.... You can devote the whole forum to Chuck if you want to, for all I care... Make him moderator...

I don't think your problem is "sniping", I think your problem is "intelligent trolling" that seems to cause the "sniping". Perhaps you should figure out who this "intelligent troll" is? Until you do that, you are not exercising any solution at all by deleting posts, you are only making the matter even worse..

But don't take my word for it, take the word of your readership for it. Look at how they are responding in their posts.... Perhaps they should just all write you an email and explain why they respond as they do? For the sake of giving the forum a chance to do that; what is your email address Mr. Weir?

Rick.

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Ricky Gurley February 27, 2009 | 11:53 a.m.

Oooopsy daisy! I asked for an email address that Mr. Weir already gave.! LMAO! Did not read your post to the end Mr. Weir, please excuse my "quickness" in reading your post!

For the benefit of the readership; repost:
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Rob Weir
Director of Digital Development
The Columbia Missourian
weirr@missouri.edu
573-882-5057
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Rick.

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Joe City February 27, 2009 | 1:17 p.m.

Columbia Heartbeat February 26, 2009 | 2:59 p.m.
Man, this is really getting ratcheted up in here. And I largely blame John Schultz for it (lol).

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I do too Mike, that Schultz is nothing but trouble !!
(New Dad)

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Clara Allen February 27, 2009 | 1:47 p.m.

LOL
John Schultz you have got to quit stirring up trouble. Rick, I like you more all the time. As for chuckles, well, I may have a new persona, at least here, but I vote that Chuck take the bus.

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Ray Shapiro February 27, 2009 | 10:41 p.m.

...Ray has an odd way of communicating online at times that makes it hard to tell if he is talking truth, trying to incite a response, or somewhere in between...

John:
Then just ask for clarification.
My confusion usually gets more clear as I get feedback from the baffled.
Ray

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Charles Dudley Jr February 28, 2009 | 3:49 p.m.

I was at CMHS today with a good friend of mine and I was shocked by what I saw and what I smelled as well as what I did not smell and the worst was a very unclean facility.

My stomach turned,I almost lost my lunch and I am very offended by the fact that if the current staff and volunteers cannot keep the shelter clean with what they have now then what is a pocket full of money going to do in the future.

This just my honest point of view but....................I think there is hope here after what I was shown on a drive in the country or just a glimmer of hope but I cannot talk about that at this time due to........it is still just an idea on paper still to be prepared,developed and worked on by far bigger influences than myself. It was not my idea but I was asked to help to try and carry this idea forward from a very grass roots point of view.

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 6:49 a.m.

Congratulations on finding a way to the shelter instead of continuing to pout that one of us should cart you over there. Did you actually complain to the faces of the staff and volunteers? I doubt it because you probably would have wound up stuffed face-down in one of the cans used to collect poop cleaned out of the kennels.

How dare you parachute in and complain. If you really believed that you could make a difference, you'd be down there every day helping.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 8:52 a.m.

Ayn Rand congratulations at failing to realize there is more than one way to volunteer your time to any 501c3 organization.

As far as stuffing me face first into anything you better be bigger than Rick is....lol.

Why complain there on the spot and embarrass the entire staff on the spot when now I have the email of the head of the Board of Directors and I can make my reports to her personally.

Also it is obvious by the smell of the facility nobody has taught these kids nor the adults how to clean properly or the smell would not have been so overwhelming in nature. I could still taste it and smell it even after I left the facility. That is just not right no matter how you look at things.

How long has it been since the "center trough" between the main kennel runs has been scrubbed and sanitized and the drain water jets run for any length of time?

How long has it been since the metal grates on the outside main kennel runs have been pulled out and sanitized and the water jets run for any length of time?

How long has it been since the kennel walls have been scrubbed down with the proper emulsifier/bleach combination?

That was one reason when Tim and I worked there we started cleaning at 7am so we had the time to clean properly daily.

I see they took out that huge table we made in the wash room too. Too bad all that money wasted.

The Animal Control side did not smell like the main kennel does when I visited at all so what is the difference there I will ask.

Ayn Rand if you are a volunteer there and you clean that place you are a total failure at cleaning in general and if you call that clean after they are done you seriously need to think again.

When you are done cleaning that facility you should never smell the smells of dog urine,dog poop or any of it's left over effects. That facility should smell of cleaning fluids and smell clean and that should carry over all day long.

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 9:49 a.m.

Again, Chuck, come down there on a daily basis and pitch in. Or are you concerned that they won't take you seriously because of your history there?

And yes, I am a volunteer there. We're doing the best we can. If you think you can do better, come down and do so. Otherwise, shut up.

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Mark Foecking March 3, 2009 | 9:55 a.m.

Chuck ax'd:

"The Animal Control side did not smell like the main kennel does when I visited at all so what is the difference there I will ask."

Probably overcrowding. If you have too many animals for a space, it becomes hard for the caretakers to keep up no matter how hard they work. It's not so much the drains and troughs - if you use enough water when you hose down the floors that pretty much takes care of itself. The odor comes from the fact that too much new poop is being made constantly for the staff to keep up with.

DK

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 10:08 a.m.

Kinda like bed bugs: tough to control.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 11:19 a.m.

>>> It's not so much the drains and troughs - if you use enough water when you hose down the floors that pretty much takes care of itself. <<<

Wrong. If you are not using your chemicals,tools and resources correctly no amount of water you use will wash away the stink. That is fact. That middle trough and the outer ones need to be scrubbed down regularly to ensure that decaying fecal matter and urine are being treated properly so they do not and are not allowed to grow and become a worse problem.

Ayn Rand if I came down there to do their jobs would you pay my wages for that day and I am not talking a mere minimum wage either. That would be a flat four hour minimum too. Also you would have to pick me up at 6:30 am so we can start at 7 am so that there is enough time for proper cleaning before the facility opens.

I'll be waiting for you Ayn Rand to pick me up,just name the day and agree to my terms. You will be on my time. Oh and yes I am that good.

Put your money where your mouth is or you shut up.

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Mark Foecking March 3, 2009 | 12:05 p.m.

Chuck, if there are decaying feces and urine in the troughs, they are not being washed down properly. Yes, you should scrub and sanitize these areas periodically (as well as the walls), but you do this to minimize the possibility for infection (worms and the like), not primarily as odor control. If the facility has an odor problem, they are either short staffed or overcrowded.

DK

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 1:35 p.m.

>>> not primarily as odor control. <<<

Wrong again oh uneducated one. If you clean properly there will be no odor left to fester and to flourish. It is the same as washing yourself. If you do not cover all areas daily you would stink too.

In order to clean properly one must first know how to clean properly.

I'm still waiting for Ayn Rand to put their money where their mouth is. I even broke out my old kennel chemical cleaning spray rig out of my closet just in case Ayn Rand actually puts their money where their mouth is which I doubt they ever will do.

http://www.clevver.com/music/video/16020...

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 1:51 p.m.

Rather than waste more time, I'll just cut and paste my previous responses to Chuck's plea that I drive him to the shelter:

"Chuck, you are a grown man. Your transportation cop-out is a joke. You had no trouble getting to the CMHS on your own when you worked there and when you 'toured that facility all too many times,' so why can't you get yourself there now? You have no problem taking the bus all over town, as you've posted many times here and elsewhere. So why is the shelter an impossible journey for you?"

"I am not going to cart around a grown man. If you don't own a car, there is a bus stop a couple of blocks away from the shelter. In fact, the bus would be a good choice because that stop is the one that the Sec. 8 residents use, and thus you can berate them in person rather than on the internets."

Also, Chuck, you just admitted that you are capable of working but choose not to.

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Mark Foecking March 3, 2009 | 2:28 p.m.

Chuck sez:

"Wrong again oh uneducated one. If you clean properly there will be no odor left to fester and to flourish. It is the same as washing yourself. If you do not cover all areas daily you would stink too."

I don't know why I'm doing this...

Odors don't "fester and flourish". The smell of feces is the smell of the bacterial waste products, primarily skatole, which is a breakdown product of the amino acid tryptophan. If you wash the feces away properly, you wash the odor away. You want to disinfect the troughs, grates, and room every now and then for disease control. If you're washing disinfectant down the drain routinely with the doo-doo, you're wasting it.

I've worked with lab animals for a long time, and I've seen how (and done) dog runs are cleaned. The runs I've been in don't smell (except in the morning) because they are appropriately sized for the number of animals kept there. I imagine CMHS is needing to keep too many animals - also, that's likely why Animal Control doesn't smell as bad. Animal Control picks up animals that people complain about. The Humane Society takes animals people don't want anymore. There's a lot more of them than what Animal Control brings in.

DK

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 2:40 p.m.

Animal Control has a wing with fewer animals, so that might be one of the reasons why the odor isn't as strong. That wing also has outdoor runs connected to some of the kennels, and some of the dogs choose to pop outside and poop, further reducing the smell.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 3:13 p.m.

I have seen both sides of the facility filled to over flowing back in 2001. The crowding problem is not new to me at all. Been there,done that and cleaned that facility before with only a three person cleaning crew too many times.

How many employees are there?

How many volunteers do you have access too?

I have seen both sides filled to capacity where animal control utilized the inside of a run and the outside of their runs to double up on dogs.

I have seen the main kennel side the same way too plus dogs housed outside after the new fenced in areas were built by Tiger Fence back in 2001.

The cleaning process is still the same no matter how over crowded the facility is.

Stop making excuses for complacency and lack of proper cleaning procedures!

Ayn Rand if you want me there so badly put your money where your mouth is or just shut the hell up.

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 3:17 p.m.

Chuck, just see my post from 1:51 p.m. today. I am not going to provide transportation for a grown man!

As for the number of employees, you can get that figure from the CMHS Web site, as I posted last week. There are at least three dozen regular volunteers, judging by attendance at the (re)orientation meetings a couple of months ago. Why not come down and show us how it's done?

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 4:22 p.m.

>>>Ayn Rand Why not come down and show us how it's done? <<<

You are the one begging me here online or demanding I come on down but yet you are to C.S. to even come pick me up.

You must not want me there that badly do you? Afraid I will show you how it can be done properly and on time? Afraid that you be showed up by somebody you look at as inferior to your intellect? Afraid to let it all hang out there?

Coward.

I know how to get that job done daily and on time. I could do it practically in my sleep because it was the same exact routine every day day in and day out no matter how full the facility was packed.

That is what those girls on the desk did not like when Tim and I were there. We both could get our respective jobs done on time and ahead of schedule every day.

Read it once again either put up or just shut up because either way everybody wins.

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 4:35 p.m.

Again, Chuck, I am not going to cart around a nearly 45-year-old man. You clearly have no problem taking the bus around town, and there is a stop a couple of blocks from the shelter. If I don't see you there, then I and everyone else on this site will know that all you're capable of is complaining.

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John Schultz March 3, 2009 | 4:50 p.m.

Chuck, if you are as good as you say and want Ayn to pay you what you think you are worth, why not apply for a job at CMHS?

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 5:08 p.m.

John, Chuck still has not explained why he is no longer employed at CMHS. You would think that a person who has the skills and hands-on experience he claims would be a real asset in the eyes of shelter management.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 3, 2009 | 6:37 p.m.

Ayn Rand if you want me there so badly the offer is standing but you are obviously just blowing smoke once again.

John Schultz I could apply if I choose to but they hire alot of University kids because they are there doing animal studies along with their work experience.

To be able to get hired I would need a car as well to get there at the times needed which is early in the morning so I would have time to get the job done properly.

Ayn Rand I was asked to leave that employment as well as another employee was asked to leave too at the same time because one day the other employee rammed my car in the employee parking lot and I about tore his head off right there on the spot. If it was not for Tim being there I would have. Eventually I got the repair money out of him and his mother after threatening to drag them into court.

Also the other employee was a lazy P.O.S. and I told him so to his face because he never cleaned worth a dam.

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Mark Foecking March 3, 2009 | 7:45 p.m.

I'm sure this has a lot to do with Zootoo...

:rolleyes:

DK

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Ayn Rand March 3, 2009 | 8:33 p.m.

Chuck, that's the silliest story I've ever heard, and I don't buy it for a second. Also, a lot of the staff and volunteers -- including me -- are NOT vet students.

What a cop-out.

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Mark Foecking March 3, 2009 | 8:42 p.m.

Chuck, you wouldn't need a car. Ride a bike. It'd be good for you - ya might lose some of that belly. Your commute would be about the same distance as mine.

QUOTE- Google Maps

Driving directions to Humane Society-Central Missouri
(573) 443-7387
2.4 mi – about 8 mins

1201 Paquin St
Columbia, MO 65201
1. Head west on Paquin St toward Waugh St 20 ft
2. Turn right at Waugh St 0.1 mi
3. Turn right at Locust St 0.1 mi
4. Turn left at S College Ave/MO-763 1.0 mi
5. Turn left at Business Loop 70 E/I-70/MO-763 0.2 mi
6. Turn right at MO-763/Rangeline St 0.9 mi
7. Turn left at Big Bear Blvd
Destination will be on the left

END QUOTE

;-)

DK

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Charles Dudley Jr March 4, 2009 | 3:20 a.m.

Mark your reading retention and comprehension need alot of upgrading.

I have told you here and other forums numerous times that my lower back is quite bad and riding a bike is out of the question that is why I got rid of the one I had.

What don't you understand?

Ayn Rand then get your sorry self cleaning then you slouch!

The facility should never smell that badly ever! Even after you are done cleaning every morning! There is no excuse.

Maybe you and the others should go get a job at a hospital as a custodian cleaning same day surgical units and then they can teach you how to clean properly.

My offer is still open for you to come pick my up early in the morning to go out there and clean that place as it should be but then again you would not want a disabled old man schooling you on proper kennel cleaning procedures would you. In that case you might actually have to work and get dirty.

You don't really seem like the type.

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Ayn Rand March 4, 2009 | 6:45 a.m.

Chuck, quit playing the disabled card. You admitted yesterday that you are capable of working but choose not to. That's fraud.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 4, 2009 | 7:34 a.m.
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Mark Foecking March 4, 2009 | 8:57 a.m.

Chuck sez:

"I have told you here and other forums numerous times that my lower back is quite bad and riding a bike is out of the question that is why I got rid of the one I had."

However, you are saying you can clean dog runs and work with the animals, which requires stooping, bending, lifting, and a fair amount of strength. I hurt my lower back about a year and a half ago, badly enough that I had to visit a chiropractor a few times. It never stopped me from riding.

Everyone's got an excuse...

BTW, Ayn has a business to run...

DK

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Charles Dudley Jr March 4, 2009 | 10:19 a.m.
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Mark Foecking March 4, 2009 | 10:39 a.m.

Chuck sez:

"riding takes a whole lot more exertion than being able to stand "

But what does that have to do with your back? It takes less exertion to ride a mile than it does to walk one.

DK

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Ayn Rand March 4, 2009 | 12:34 p.m.

Stand, sit, whatever you can manage. The bottom line is: WORK! KOMU had a story earlier this week about a guy who's blind but still goes to work every day.

Back to the shelter: If you have a washer and dryer, please consider stopping by to pick up a few loads of laundry.

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