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Columbia to move forward with 10-story parking garage

Thursday, March 5, 2009 | 7:41 p.m. CST; updated 11:22 p.m. CST, Thursday, March 5, 2009

COLUMBIA — Columbia's downtown skyline is dominated by the historic Tiger Hotel and the Boone County Courthouse. But soon, a 10-story parking garage will rival those structures.

The Columbia City Council approved design plans for the $15 million garage at its Monday meeting. Within the next few weeks, it will call for bids on the project. Columbia transportation manager Ken Koopmans said he hopes dirt work will begin this summer on the garage site, which is across Walnut Street from the Columbia post office. The site is now a city-owned parking lot.

The parking garage is set to be located on Walnut Street between Fifth and Sixth streets and will contain 660 parking spots. The project also involves adding turn lanes on Fifth and Walnut, Sixth and Walnut, and Sixth and Ash streets. Some on-street parking will be removed.

Koopmans said it will cost the city about $66,500 per year to operate the garage, a cost he said is comparable to other garages.

The cost "is primarily electric,” he said.

The height of the garage prompted some complaints during public hearings on the project. Taking property elevations into account, the garage will be 8 feet shorter than The Tiger Hotel and 2 feet shorter than the Boone County Courthouse, according to a report to the council from Public Works director John Glascock.

The first floor of the parking garage will include retail space, Koopmans said, though it would be at least a year before any thought is put into who will occupy the space. The city is working on a request for proposals from developers interested in managing the lease of the retail space.

After the garage is about 80 percent complete, the property manager will begin  leasing out commercial space.

Glascock said in his report that the city can expect the space to attract “restaurants, nightclubs, and mixed specialty retail” that would “create a lively retail and commercial development and bring activity to downtown Columbia.” The city will prohibit uses such as adult entertainment venues, adult bookstores, massage parlors, bars and tattoo parlors.


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Jimmy Dugan March 5, 2009 | 9:33 p.m.

This is REDICULOUS. Another waste of taxpayer dollars. MU just built a 2000 space garage for $12,500 per space, Why on earth is it costing $23,000 a space for columbia??????????????????????????????????

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Mark Foecking March 6, 2009 | 4:02 a.m.

Jimmy:

Because our cars deserve the best, doncha' know. So do a few of our local construction contractors.

Maybe in 50 years they'll convert them to apartments. What they could do now is lease space at peripheral lots and run a tram downtown. When gasoline is expensive or scarce enough so people really try not to drive, they can return the lots, and not have a 15 million dollar debt to pay off.

Of course I pointed this out to my Council representative. Did no good, as we see.

DK

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Charles Dudley Jr March 6, 2009 | 4:46 a.m.

>>> Mark Foecking Because our cars deserve the best, doncha' know. So do a few of our local construction contractors. <<<

This has been pointed out in the past not only here but other local online news outlets too.

Mark you are right nobody wants to listen.

I hope the tax payers of Columbia are going to be happy with their newest "elephant" downtown that if you remember from previous articles it was stated they already had this new monstrosity already full of CPD vehicles,City Employee parking and more.

As you notice though the reporter here left out those juicy little details once again.

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Ayn Rand March 6, 2009 | 6:47 a.m.

"From previous articles it was stated they already had this new monstrosity already full of CPD vehicles,City Employee parking and more."

Links? I remember articles where the city said that the police would use it, but I don't remember reading that it would be "already full" just from municipal use.

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Michael Scott March 6, 2009 | 6:54 a.m.

I can't believe they are actually proceeding with this. The retail space comonent is ridiculous. Can we get some new council leadership yet?

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Robert Johnson March 6, 2009 | 9:02 a.m.

This is probably not nearly as expensive as the majority of our streets being designed extra wide to accommodate parking on the street.

I'm used to a good portion of my sales tax dollars being used so others can park their cars.

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John Schultz March 6, 2009 | 9:30 a.m.

Ayn, I think the city was estimating some portion of the parking slots would be used by city employees, but not a large fraction as best I can recall.

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Ayn Rand March 6, 2009 | 9:33 a.m.

"Ayn, I think the city was estimating some portion of the parking slots would be used by city employees, but not a large fraction as best I can recall."

That's what I remember, too, and why I questioned that the city ever said it would be "already full."

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Jimmy Dugan March 6, 2009 | 10:35 a.m.

The city has routinely said the Garage design for 660 spaces is already full between the CPD and City workers.... I stress again for Columbia to WAKE UP and take back control of there tax dollars. This is a complete fleecing of America.

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Jimmy Dugan March 6, 2009 | 10:37 a.m.

Let's Hire the University to design and build the Garage....... They can obviously build one for half the cost, based on the new Garage at the Hospital......

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John Schultz March 6, 2009 | 11:11 a.m.

I couldn't find any such claims in the Missourian archives, all I found was this statement:

The council said that downtown will benefit from the parking spaces, needed for future parking, as well as from the retail space.

and that approximately 48 spaced would be reserved for police vehicles.

I found this statement in an older Tribune story:

City Manager Bill Watkins said the city hopes to complete the facility in 2010, in concert with the opening of the city hall expansion and the renovated Daniel Boone Building.

"We need to move this ahead in conjunction with the new city hall project," Watkins told council members Dec. 17. "As we bring employees back downtown, we will need more parking."

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Ayn Rand March 6, 2009 | 11:59 a.m.

I checked the Tribune archives and could find no statements that the garage will be full just from muni use. For example, according to http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2008/..., the police would use about 50 spaces.

So Chuck and Jimmy, post the links to the articles where the city "has routinely said" the garage is "already full."

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BRAD ANDERSON March 6, 2009 | 12:01 p.m.

The only reason I can think of why its going to cost so much is maybe its going to have all grass parking, along with a grass roof, and maybe a trail going through it. Jeez, what a waste of money.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 6, 2009 | 3:39 p.m.

>>> The city has routinely said the Garage design for 660 spaces is already full between the CPD and City workers. <<<

Correct that is how I read it and heard it too. Ignore those who think other wise. If I had not read it or heard it I would not have posted as such.

All these other clowns only want to stir more strife on this site and others.

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John Schultz March 6, 2009 | 4:06 p.m.

If you read such a statement Chuck, feel free to correct us with the truth (and a link).

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Ayn Rand March 6, 2009 | 5:05 p.m.

LOL. Just like that Bill Watkins statement a few months ago . . .

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Charles Dudley Jr March 6, 2009 | 6:13 p.m.

You two should really dig deeper:

July 29, 2008
http://blogs.columbiatribune.com/governm...

Notice the commentary by the readers responding.

>>> The need for the new garage, according to the city, came from a parking study completed in May 2001, which recommended downtown have 300 additional spaces.

Here's the breakdown of the city's figures to demonstrate the need for additional parking:

Water and Light: 50 vehicles (20 city and 30 personal)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to lost meters at Guitar Street and alley)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (another 30 spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to the courthouse expansion)
Finance: 30 for personal vehicles
May 2001 study recommendation: 300
Post office expansion: 30
Columbia Police Department official vehicle: 50
Columbia Police Department growth: 5
Meters currently on the lot that will be replaced with the new garage: 60
Spare spaces for growth: 50

Equals: 635 spaces at Fifth and Walnut streets

- Posted by: Mrs.B | July 30, 2008 10:09 PM <<<

And another story about part of this:
Downtown growing up
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/storie...

Now you can see plainly where this came from. There was discussion elsewhere to on the old Trib Board that is now gone I know for a fact because I started the thread topic on it where somebody else plainly and openly stated that once built it would be already full.

Better learn to dig deeper next time.

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Ayn Rand March 6, 2009 | 8:33 p.m.

Good find, Chuck. However, the spaces earmarked add up to 315, which is less than half of the garage's capacity. The 300 spaces recommended in the May 2001 study don't appear to be reserved for particular uses/users. In fact, 300 is so close to 315 that I'm wondering if the 315 figure is just an update of what was recommended in 2001. Plus I'm not counting the 50 spare spaces for growth.

So unless I'm miscalculating or misinterpreting something, this garage would be about half-full when it opens.

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John Schultz March 6, 2009 | 10:21 p.m.

Chuck, how is the Missourian story you linked to relevant to this particular garage? I don't see any explicit mention of it, just the supposed need for three new garages with a 1000+ spaces.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 7, 2009 | 3:42 a.m.

Ayn Rand read that commentary about the numbers once again. Obviously you only skimmed over it. Mrs. B often times was vague but I got her point in it's form.

That one link to the Trib Archive goes nowhere unfortunately. They screwed stuff up in that change over. All of those archives should have just been linked to as they originally were instead of trying to blend them into the new layout.

John Schultz chairman of the Libertarian Party of Boone County. I could explain it to you like I would a elementary school age young child but I do not have that kind of time. If you cannot see the forest through the trees maybe you need to go really take your time,research the entire article in it's entirety and then you might see the entire picture.

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John Schultz March 7, 2009 | 9:42 a.m.

Chuck, if that Missourian article was truly relevant, I think you would have explained why to put me in my place. Since you don't want to discuss it further, I'll believe it irrelevant until you can prove otherwise. There is not a single mention of the city filling up a garage with its employees as we have been discussing.

And look back at the Tribune link you posted. Mrs. B didn't post those numbers, Kat Hughes did in answering Mrs. B's question about the parking survey.

Perhaps it is you who needs to "research the entire article in it's (sic) entirety (double sic) and then you might see the entire picture."

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Charles Dudley Jr March 7, 2009 | 9:51 a.m.

John Schultz chairman of the Libertarian Party of Boone County one of the many in life anywhere who will stain the knat so he can swallow the camel.

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Ayn Rand March 7, 2009 | 4:25 p.m.

Chuck, those figures came from Kat, the reporter, not Mrs. B. Obviously YOU skimmed over it. LOL.

Again, Chuck, the numbers Kat posted add up to 315 spaces. That's less than half of the garage's capacity. Plenty of room for growth.

If you mean the Trib archive that I posted yesterday at 11:59 a.m., I just clicked on it and went straight to the story.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 7, 2009 | 4:33 p.m.

Ayn Rand that is only your point of view on the matter.

Others have said different and I had all of it posted on the old Trib Board but all of that is gone now.

You have your view and others obviously have theirs.

Yours is not always correct.

Ayn Rand you are just another one in life anywhere who will stain the knat so they can swallow the camel.

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Ayn Rand March 7, 2009 | 5:10 p.m.

Ah, so it's that old "point of view" defense again. Chuck, you provided that link. You can't backpedal out of it by trying to twist the numbers to fit your earlier claim. Fail.

Not even Columbia is dumb enough to build a garage that will be full as soon as it opens.

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Mark Foecking March 7, 2009 | 5:12 p.m.
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Charles Dudley Jr March 7, 2009 | 5:30 p.m.

One more time for those who cannot obviously comprehend what was presented.

>>> The need for the new garage, according to the city, came from a parking study completed in May 2001, which recommended downtown have 300 additional spaces. <<<

This is just talking about 300 spaces in general not the over all number needed.

Now:
>>> Here's the breakdown of the city's figures to demonstrate the need for additional parking:

Water and Light: 50 vehicles (20 city and 30 personal)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to lost meters at Guitar Street and alley)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (another 30 spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to the courthouse expansion)
Finance: 30 for personal vehicles
>>>May 2001 study recommendation: 300 <<<
Post office expansion: 30
Columbia Police Department official vehicle: 50
Columbia Police Department growth: 5
Meters currently on the lot that will be replaced with the new garage: 60
Spare spaces for growth: 50 <<<

Look at the wording between the >>> <<< in the middle of the presentation of numbers.

This is the space the City itself needs for it's own vehicles not including the 300 general parking spots they say are needed from the 2001 survey.

>>> Equals: 635 spaces at Fifth and Walnut streets <<<<

Do you get why they are wanting to build it ten floors now Ayn Rand? It is as plain as the nose on your face.

>>> Not even Columbia is dumb enough to build a garage that will be full as soon as it opens. <<<

You obviously need to take off those blinders for awhile and see the true direction your city leaders want to take you in.

If you can come up with official city documents to show different then fine but if not the over all size of this structure makes perfectly good sense by the numbers presented in that blog presentation and by how much the City Council,Bill Watkins and the Mayor are pushing forward with this project.

Also do not forget the parking project and business development at Tenth and Elm too if you missed that one.

Columbia really needs to wake up.

Is this all clear enough now?

Only you and John are calling it wrong but I do not see anybody else calling it wrong here or on the original article.

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John Schultz March 7, 2009 | 5:42 p.m.

I went digging through the Trib Board's archive via Google's cache, and all I could dig up was this link to a Missourian article:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/storie...

which reads in part:

"The design of the building is controversial because of the number of purposes it will fulfill. It is meant to house parking for police, parking for the public and space for businesses on the ground floor.

Public Works Director John Glascock addressed Third Ward Councilman Karl Skala's concerns about the use and height of the building, which will be similar in size to the Hitt Street parking garage.

"We gave you some numbers about who is going to park there, and it's going to be pretty full as soon as we open it," Glascock said.

There will be approximately 600 parking spaces in the structure, and research completed in 2001 indicated a need for 635 spaces in the area of the intersection."

Still don't see any indication those are all city spaces, but those archives are still searchable for you Chuck...

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Ayn Rand March 7, 2009 | 5:46 p.m.

Chuck, what part of this are you not getting? Again, the spaces earmarked add up to 315, which is less than half of the garage's capacity. The 300 spaces recommended in the May 2001 study don't appear to be reserved for particular uses/users. In fact, 300 is so close to 315 that I'm wondering if the 315 figure is just an update of what was recommended in 2001.

If you disagree, go before the city council and question it. Or will you cop out by claiming you have no way to get there? Maybe Darwin can give you a ride on his bike.

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Charles Dudley Jr March 7, 2009 | 5:56 p.m.

One more time for those who cannot obviously comprehend what was presented.

>>> The need for the new garage, according to the city, came from a parking study completed in May 2001, which recommended downtown have 300 additional spaces. <<<

This is just talking about 300 spaces in general not the over all number needed.

Now:
>>> Here's the breakdown of the city's figures to demonstrate the need for additional parking:

Water and Light: 50 vehicles (20 city and 30 personal)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to lost meters at Guitar Street and alley)
Shortage from Plaza: 30 (another 30 spaces that need to be converted to hourly due to the courthouse expansion)
Finance: 30 for personal vehicles
>>>May 2001 study recommendation: 300 <<<
Post office expansion: 30
Columbia Police Department official vehicle: 50
Columbia Police Department growth: 5
Meters currently on the lot that will be replaced with the new garage: 60
Spare spaces for growth: 50 <<<

Look at the wording between the >>> <<< in the middle of the presentation of numbers.

This is the space the City itself needs for it's own vehicles not including the 300 general parking spots they say are needed from the 2001 survey.

>>> Equals: 635 spaces at Fifth and Walnut streets <<<<

Do you get why they are wanting to build it ten floors now Ayn Rand? It is as plain as the nose on your face.

>>> Not even Columbia is dumb enough to build a garage that will be full as soon as it opens. <<<

You obviously need to take off those blinders for awhile and see the true direction your city leaders want to take you in.

If you can come up with official city documents to show different then fine but if not the over all size of this structure makes perfectly good sense by the numbers presented in that blog presentation and by how much the City Council,Bill Watkins and the Mayor are pushing forward with this project.

Also do not forget the parking project and business development at Tenth and Elm too if you missed that one.

Columbia really needs to wake up.

Is this all clear enough now?

Only you and John are calling it wrong but I do not see anybody else calling it wrong here or on the original article.

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Ayn Rand March 7, 2009 | 6:18 p.m.

Chuck, "the study found that the City should boost parking supply north of Broadway by approximately 300 spaces to accommodated projected demand for
parking" (www.gocolumbiamo.com/Planning/Documents/...). That is NOT the same as saying that those 300 spaces will be spoken for the day that the garage opens.

Only you and Jimmy are saying that this garage will be at capacity when it opens. Are we really supposed to believe that with all of the journalists in this town, only you and Jimmy have uncovered the council's evil plot to build a garage that won't be big enough?

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John Schultz March 7, 2009 | 6:24 p.m.

Chuck, sounds to me like the 300 additional spaces you highlighted in the middle of the spaces listing is the same exact number from the study that Kat mentioned at the beginning of her comment, and nowhere is it claimed those are specifically for the city or its employees.

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John Schultz March 7, 2009 | 7:45 p.m.

Here's another city document talking about the parking needs:

http://www.gocolumbiamo.com/Council/Bill...

As I read the table, it says the city needs 110 additional spaces due to consolidation of city services (presumably moving employees to the new city hall). Nearly two-thirds of the spaces according to this early report would be for anyone.

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