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Occupy COMO to discuss proposed manifesto

Tuesday, October 18, 2011 | 7:12 p.m. CDT; updated 7:29 p.m. CDT, Tuesday, October 18, 2011

COLUMBIA — An Occupy COMO participant has drafted what is essentially a manifesto for the group as its 23rd day of protesting outside the Daniel Boone City Building came to a close. 

The manifesto will be presented Tuesday at 8 p.m. during Occupy COMO's regularly scheduled general assembly meeting. The meetings take place outside of the Boone Building. Anyone who decides to attend the meeting may vote on whether the group will adopt this proposed manifesto.

Protester Nicholas Berry said the proposal has three main points:

"1. We are here because our First Amendment rights allow us to peacefully assemble and grant us the freedom of speech.

 2. We are the 99 percent that are tired of having our decisions made by the wealthiest 1 percent.

 3. We stand in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street."

Discussion will take place before the vote. The group has no leader.


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Ellis Smith October 19, 2011 | 5:10 a.m.

"We are the 99 percent that are tired of having our decisions made by Wall Street."

Where does this place me? Apparently I'm part of their "1%," although neither the financial data shown in my last monthly statement from Morgan Stanley Smith Barney nor the values of my domicile and automobile suggest that I am what our federal government considers "rich."

Let's see. A movement that divides all our citizens into only two classes - no middle ground - and is going to have a "manifesto." Shades of Russia in 1917!

Forward, Comrades!

If I lead, follow me. (But there aren't any leaders.)
If I stumble, help me up.
If I hesitate, push me.
If I turn back, KILL ME!* (I say, isn't that a bit extreme?)

*- Borrowed from some military types in Central America, who are at the other end of the political spectrum.

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Tony Robertson October 19, 2011 | 7:31 a.m.

See, here's where the Occupy folks could learn something from the business folks - marketing. Take the term, "manifesto". A manifesto is written by a crazed loner in a cabin. Or a communist. This is poor branding, without any cachet or appeal to middle America.

Try "Declaration". As in "Declaration of Dependence." Or, "Declaration of the Rights of People Fighting The Man." If they want to get real fancy, perhaps "Ganja Carta."

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Bob Hill October 19, 2011 | 8:40 a.m.

Wow. Deep stuff. This movement should go far! :)

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Corey Parks October 19, 2011 | 9:37 a.m.

On November 5th are they going to take turns heading over to the banks to withdraw their money or will they all go at once?

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Michael Williams October 19, 2011 | 10:33 a.m.

I wuz gonna write sumpin', but I can't see through my tears laffin' at "Ganja Carta".

One word missing from the manifesto...one that would really make it sparkle...is "gravitas".

You should work that in there sumplace......

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Mark Foecking October 19, 2011 | 11:50 a.m.

From the "Occupy COMO Official Statement October 18, 2011":

"domination of the vast majority of the population by a wealthy few."

I suspect most people don't feel dominated by anyone other than the rule of law, or choices they've made. I certainly don't.

"people who have been unjustly denied their equal human and financial rights by a system"

It'd be really neat to hear someone define "equal financial rights". Sounds a lot like wealth redistribution to me.

These guys need to understand that large scale forced wealth redistribution has never generated lasting prosperity, anywhere. Actually, it tends more to produce places like Zimbabwe.

"We, the 99%, are tired of having our decisions made by the wealthiest 1%."

What decisions? I can't think of one decision the "1%" has made for me. Do they tell you how to vote, who to marry, what to name your kids, what to eat, where to live, where to work, what kind of work to do?

DK

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Derrick Fogle October 19, 2011 | 12:10 p.m.

Yeah, a bit of a technical distinction here: The wealthiest 1% might make decisions that end up affecting our lives in one way or another, maybe even detrimentally, but... they sure as heck don't make any decisions directly *for* me.

God gave me this funny thing called "free will." I like using it to make my own decisions.

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Ellis Smith October 19, 2011 | 12:31 p.m.

@ Mark Foecking:

Here's an interesting proposition that was prevalent when I was growing up, "Where we were what we were and 'smart' didn't count for much.*"

It went this way. If you took all the adult citizens in the United States and you took all the national wealth and divided it up among them equally...

... and then you waited one generation (about 22-25 years), you would find the distribution of wealth was as lopsided as at the beginning of the experiment.

Not all the same people (families) would be at the economic top or bottom, however. There would be some changes.

Maybe this parable says far more about human nature than it does about anything else. :)

*- Garrison Keillor (a nice Lutheran boy from Minnesota)

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David Sautner October 19, 2011 | 1:09 p.m.

The three points written in the article do not represent the "manifesto". Although I do agree that "manifesto" does not resonate well with most Americans, "Declaration" or "Affirmation" or "Proclamation" or "Notice" or "Canon" or "Decree" or "Statement of Principles" or "Statement of Beliefs" etc., would fair much better.

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Ellis Smith October 19, 2011 | 3:43 p.m.

Time to lighten up, Frank, Mike, Mark, Tony, et al.

[Sing this to the tune of "Far Above Cayuga's Waters," the Cornell University alma mater song.]

How's your father and your mother,
Sister, brother too?
How's your auntie and your uncle?
How's your bad haiku?

Got to go! There's a mob of Cornell University alumni outside my door screaming that they're going to dismember me. Damned Ivy Leagers! :)

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Michael Williams October 19, 2011 | 4:10 p.m.

They need a "Pledge" (Apologies to the Boy Scouts)

On my honor
I will do my best
to do my doobie
to doG and my country,
to obey the outlaw,
to help myself to others' things at all times,
to keep myself physically bonged
mentally staked
and morally...um...what are we talking about?

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 4:22 p.m.

Hey Occupiers!
All this push-back means they're scared.
Keep up the pressure.

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Michael Williams October 19, 2011 | 4:30 p.m.

Or a "motto": Be repaired.

Or a "slogan": Do a good pe-ed daily.

I'm still trying get "gravitas" in the manifesto, but it's like trying to rhyme "orange".

PS: Anyone who calls their document a "manifesto" deserves all the jocularity folks can muster. Sheesh, whatever were they thinking?

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Gary Straub October 19, 2011 | 5:55 p.m.

13 trillion dollars to the banks, out of our pockets, and you don't think re-distribution of wealth can work. And the fictitious theory that if all money was distributed equally in a few years it would be the same ratio has never, and will never be tried so can't be proven and I can guarantee I would be better off, how about you? I think the new motto of the delirious right should be: Hear no evil, see no evil, speak a whole lot of evil.

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Michael Williams October 19, 2011 | 6:11 p.m.

Gary says, "I can guarantee I would be better off, how about you."
__________________

Each of us should hope for that.

Of course, it would mean doing things differently...things and strategies we should have done in the first place.

Otherwise......same place.

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Mark Foecking October 19, 2011 | 6:39 p.m.

Gary Straub wrote:

"13 trillion dollars to the banks, out of our pockets, and you don't think re-distribution of wealth can work."

13 trillion from where? What are you tslking about?

-------------------------------------------------------

I am concerned that
What occupiers wish for
Won't be what they'll get.

DK

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Tony Robertson October 19, 2011 | 7:09 p.m.

"Scared"? Why yes, satire and mockery are my fall-back coping mechanisms, when I'm overcome with fear.

Jon Stewart gets paid millions for what I dispense here for free. Sure, the targets are different. I guess maybe that's the point - satire of Tea Party, edgy & witty. Satire of Occupiers - sign of fear and desperation.

Mockery of right - good, mockery of left - bad. Got it.

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Abigail Williams October 19, 2011 | 7:25 p.m.

So what you are saying is that a tea party person can't write a manifesto? Do I have that correct?

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Abigail Williams October 19, 2011 | 7:36 p.m.

"On my honor
I will do my best
to do my doobie
to doG and my country,
to obey the outlaw,
to help myself to others' things at all times,
to keep myself physically bonged
mentally staked
and morally...um...what are we talking about?"
With no honor
I will do the most
to be derisive
of all that post
to claim the law
and anything else I can
to keep myself physically repulsive
mentally compromised and morally bankrupt.

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Michael Williams October 19, 2011 | 8:14 p.m.

Not bad, Abby.
Not bad at all. You've officially joined the poets among us.

Anyone that calls their document a "manifesto" deserves all the jocularity others can muster. See TonyR's 7:31 am today's date. Occupiers need a PR person. Bad strategy this.

I'd be surprised if a Tea Partier would write something they would call a "manifesto." Could be wrong, tho....sumbody from the backwoods of Montany mighta snuck in when we wuzzn't lookin'.

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 8:34 p.m.

Mocking those who use
The First Amendment? Should we
Still be British ruled?

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frank christian October 19, 2011 | 8:51 p.m.

D. Fogle - "God gave me this funny thing called "free will." Sorry, God gave you a brain. We all have one. Some use it to develop a free will, others use it only to provide them a place, penned in with the rest of the "cattle".

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John Schultz October 19, 2011 | 8:55 p.m.

Gregg speaks an edict,
First Amendment only for
Those who occupy!

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Tony Robertson October 19, 2011 | 9:05 p.m.

Satire and mockery are free speech, also. They can gore any old ox, not just the other fellow's.

"Should we still be British ruled?" In some senses, even the British are not still British ruled. Though, I hear tell their NHS, welfare state, and multiculturalism are the shiznit.

Like my ancestors in the Wautauga, I am hunky-dory with autonomy and self-governance, personally.

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frank christian October 19, 2011 | 9:09 p.m.

Gary Straub - "13 trillion dollars to the banks, out of our pockets, and you don't think re-distribution of wealth can work."

Wrong again. Tonight, we are 14.9T$ in debt. And of course that debt is climbing and will continue until the majorities in our government are changed.

"And the fictitious theory that if all money was distributed equally in a few years it would be the same ratio". The Federal judge that broke up At&t said that the American people do not deserve a telephone "for the price of a pizza." Today where is AT&T? What is the price of a telephone (mine cost just over $12.00 @ $.10 per minute)? What is the price of a pizza?

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 9:38 p.m.

Haiku silences
No one, nor abridges speech.
Beseech reflection.

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 9:43 p.m.

But if haikus are
An attack on your freedom,
Freedom's too brittle.

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 9:45 p.m.

Nor is parody,
Nor scorn, nor mocking, too grave
An insult to quell.

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 9:49 p.m.

For democracy
Is boisterous - with each an
Equal stakeholder.

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Gregg Bush October 19, 2011 | 9:57 p.m.

The One Percent are
Welcomed, too. Would they mingle
With the commoners?

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Tony Robertson October 19, 2011 | 9:58 p.m.

I welcome your haikus, as I enjoy my own gentle, written prodding of the Occupiers. Ours is a Republic, with a seasoning of Democracy. Just so.

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Gregg Bush October 20, 2011 | 12:48 a.m.

Democracy's the
Process, points "We the People"
To our Republic.

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Gary Straub October 20, 2011 | 9:11 a.m.

Frank, Yes I am wrong again it was 16 trillion.

"That little gem appears on Page 131 of GAO Report No. GAO-11-696. A report issued two months ago. A report that somehow seems to have eluded the attention of virtually every network, every major newspaper, and every news show." - Alan Grayson

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 9:30 a.m.

Gary S.- The world was given 14.9T$ just before 5p central, yesterday by Gerri Willis of the Willis Report, Fox Bus Net, just as she does 5 days per week. If she is wrong, then I am wrong. I don't understand what an Alan Grayson quote would have to do with this subject.

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Gary Straub October 20, 2011 | 9:34 a.m.

Frank, you might try looking this up: Page 131 of GAO Report No. GAO-11-696 for your answer.

For those that believe this "Occupy" movement is a small deal take a look at this. http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/...

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Jimmy Bearfield October 20, 2011 | 11:01 a.m.

No one is going to take them seriously until they get not just violent, but murderous, such as storming the home of a bank CEO and hanging him/her from a lamppost. I'm not advocating that, BTW. I'm simply noting that they've been protesting for weeks, and nothing has changed. Clearly they haven't learned from the Arab Spring, French Revolution, etc.

As Marx said, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 11:17 a.m.

Gary S.- I simplistically thought you were referring to our Debt, though you were somewhat vague, not mentioning Fed Reserve loans. I guess B. Sanders is good for something. A. Grayson, of course was not. Is this incident not a multiple of Obama and the Democrats during the same period?

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 11:52 a.m.

Was wondering what the protesters expect from their effort, got this from Forbes and analyst, David Maris.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherpe...

Maris's survey reads like the every day liberal lament to me.

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Derrick Fogle October 20, 2011 | 3:02 p.m.

OWS has very successfully changed the conversation. It's got Frank reading liberal manifestos. It's replaced conversations about how much to cut from government services, with conversations about inequity, financial market malfeasance, and social issues. This is good.

Keep talking about them, keep talking about what they want, keep talking about how ineffective they supposedly are. It helps, it really does.

And, whether the OccupyCOMO group wants this or not, they are about to have some weird old dude down there hackysacking for the cause.

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Derrick Fogle October 20, 2011 | 5:59 p.m.

Hackysack for OccupyCOMO Mission Accomplished!

It was amusing watching groups of downtown businessmen walk by all the protesters on the way to their cars at the end of the workday. There was a pretty good group of people there around 5pm, and plenty of support from passers by.

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 7:13 p.m.

Derrick F. - Another impossible post. Gary Straub got me reading about the inaction of the Wall St. freeloaders. I hadn't read their 13 unofficial? demands. Anyone who does can easily see how desperately we need to wrest control of our government from the freeloading, "Greek like" protestors and their Democrat providers, only interested in their own welfare, for the time being. I'm unable to locate the new demands presented apparently today as reported on Fox. the first was demanded creation of 25M new government jobs (to put people back to work?) Derrick is on top of this and will probably happily list the others for us. Keep us talking about them Derrick!

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Derrick Fogle October 20, 2011 | 7:19 p.m.
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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 8:20 p.m.

Derrick F. - I wrote, keep us talking about the protestors, not you! My son described hackysack, but it still appears to most resemble Hip Hop with a bean bag. Just kidding! My compliments. If you could just control your political imagination...

When will we get back to the "protestors"?

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Abigail Williams October 20, 2011 | 8:26 p.m.

Frank, I admire your lack of patience. However, if you fast forward to the end of the video there is a choice of several clips of actual protesters.

And if you fast forward to the end of the video I posted and wait through the advertisement, you can witness John Belushi advocating one of my favorite breakfast items.

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Michael Williams October 20, 2011 | 8:38 p.m.

John Belushi advocating one of my favorite breakfast items.
__________________-

Cheeseburger?...Cheeseburger?...Cheeseburger?...

No coke...pepsi.

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 8:54 p.m.

Abigail - You are my first as one who admires a lack of patience. "there is a choice of several clips of actual protesters." Earlier today I enjoyed a series of 50 protester pictures. The conversation has been about, why are they protesting and what do they want?

You may be interested to know that some years ago I alienated a "moderate Republican" when he asked "do you remember when Sat. Nite Live used to be funny? I replied, "I never thought Sat Nite Live was funny." Sorry.

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Derrick Fogle October 20, 2011 | 9:10 p.m.

@Frank sez: "I never thought Sat Nite Live was funny."

OMG I so totally rest my case on this man's judgement. 'Nuff said.

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Tony Robertson October 20, 2011 | 9:28 p.m.

frankchristian: On behalf of "South Park conservatives", I offer these two words:

Colonel Angus.

I find myself disagreeing with you almost as often as I disagree with the "progressives" on here.

I think I need more cowbell, baby.

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 9:30 p.m.

DF - Me, after the chat about the dead drug addict and SNL,"When will we get back to the "protestors"?

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frank christian October 20, 2011 | 10:10 p.m.

T. Robertson - "I find myself disagreeing with you almost as often as I disagree with the "progressives" on here." Too bad.

Guess I don't have the imagination required for this conversation with you, or SNL. I can't relate here what I know about Colonel Angus and your need for more "cow bell, baby," does not compute. You sometimes make sense, is tonight a bad nite?

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Abigail Williams October 21, 2011 | 10:24 a.m.

Frankly, I'm disappointed. I was certain my clip would appeal to someone in your age group.

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Derrick Fogle October 21, 2011 | 12:19 p.m.

I am a protester. The link I posted was to a video of me joining the OccupyCOMO protest.

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