What constitutes a basketball championship? Don't ask Kansas

Tuesday, March 6, 2012 | 9:41 p.m. CST

COLUMBIA — From the rafters at Allen Fieldhouse hang five banners — one for each national championship the Kansas men's basketball team claims to have won.

Most people look at the banners and don't think twice. Kansas is one of the winningest programs in college basketball, so five national championships is no surprise.

The more basketball-educated, however, do a double-take. There are national championship banners for 1922 and 1923, despite the fact that the NCAA tournament didn't start until 1939.

So if the NCAA didn't declare Kansas to be the champion, who did? The answer is somewhat unusual.

The Helms Athletic Foundation

In 1939, a group of so-called experts led by Bill Schroeder got together and voted on who had won the championship each year since 1901. The group, called the Helms Athletic Foundation, retroactively named Kansas the national champion for 1922 and 1923. Up went the banners.

"If they want to count championships from 1922 and 1923, then that's fine," Missouri senior guard Kim English said. "I respect Kansas basketball to the fullest. I respect their players, respect their coaches big time.

"I just hate their fans. I hate them. Their fans kind of have a false sense of reality about what Kansas basketball is. It's not Kentucky. It's not UCLA."

In terms of championships, that much is certainly true. Kentucky has won seven NCAA tournament championships, and UCLA has won 11. Kansas has won three.

Kentucky has also won two Helms Foundation national championships. But unlike Allen Fieldhouse, Rupp Arena shows no mention of those championships.

Kansas Associate Athletics Director Jim Marchiony said he doesn't think there's anybody still at Kansas who was part of the process to include those championships.

"We've always counted them," he said.

1922: Did Kansas or Missouri win the national championship?

Author and former Kansas City Star writer Martin Manley has done a lot of research into Kansas' Helms Foundation national championships. He agrees with English, writing last year, "It’s as though the school didn’t think its tradition was good enough that it needed to exaggerate its accomplishments."

A quick look to the rafters of Mizzou Arena is all it takes to see that the Missouri men's basketball program never exaggerated its accomplishments. There isn't much up there.

But there could be. Believe it or not, Missouri actually won two mythical national championships of its own. The Helms Foundation never awarded one to Missouri, but a guy sitting in front of his computer in 1993 did.

Patrick Premo, a professor at St. Bonaventure, unveiled his Premo Power Polls in 1993. Like the Helms Foundation, the Premo Poll retroactively named national champions back to 1901. Missouri was named the champion for 1921 and 1922.

What better way to add more fuel to the Missouri-Kansas rivalry than to have both schools claim the 1922 national championship?

Legendary Kansas coach Phog Allen, after whom the Jayhawks' arena is named, wrote about the last game of the 1922 season in his book "Better Basketball." The game was between 16-0 Missouri and 15-2 Kansas in Columbia. Missouri had beat Kansas in Lawrence earlier in the season, but Kansas won the last game 26-16. (Clearly, teams have gotten better at scoring in the past 90 years.)

Without an NCAA tournament, the season ended there. There was no clear-cut winner then, and there will never be one.

Confusion about conference championships

Although they still exist in college football, mythical national championships seem to be a thing of the past in college basketball. But schools still exaggerate their success in terms of conference championships.

Again, Kansas is an offender. The KU athletics website says that the Jayhawks just won their eighth-straight Big 12 championship. This is true if the conference's regular season champion — and not the conference tournament champion — is the official Big 12 champion. Which it isn't.

Missouri and Kansas both call themselves the 2009 Big 12 basketball champion. Both teams have rings to show for it.

The Big 12, like just about every conference in the country, crowns a regular season champion and a conference tournament champion. In 2009, Kansas went 14-2 during the Big 12 regular season, the best record in the league. Missouri won three straight games at the Big 12 tournament in Oklahoma City.

Neither school bothers to clarify which championship it won.

More impressive: a regular-season title or a tournament title?

The case for which one is more impressive could be made either way.

"Personally, I think that the regular season champion is more important than the tournament," Marchiony said. "It speaks to achievement over the course of the season rather than a few games."

Manley agrees.

"The tournaments are not to decide conference championships," he said. "They are for two reasons only — one, make money, and two, make money."

The flip side of the argument is that a conference tournament championship is important because every major professional sports entity rules the winner of its playoff to be the champion. The winner of the Super Bowl, for example, is the team that won all of its playoff games, not the team with the best record during the regular season.

All across the country, conference tournaments are treated as equally or more important than the regular season.

"I know in the ACC, and its been this way for a long time, there's no question winning the ACC tournament is what it was all about," Missouri coach Frank Haith said. "I think that's probably the case around the country in some leagues.

"You can't take away from what Kansas has done. I mean, they won the first true round robin in this league. They should be commended for that. That was a hell of a job, and I think they'll get their due in terms of how they're seeded in the NCAA tournament."

In some conferences, the distinction is extremely important. Every conference except the Ivy League, which doesn't have a tournament, grants its automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of its conference tournament.

Some people, such as junior guard Michael Dixon, don't see the need to declare one championship any more important than the other.

"I guess it's two seasons," Dixon said. "I mean, we consider the tournament a season, a three-game season. Hopefully. So, I mean, it's two different champions, just like there's a conference champion and an NCAA champion."

Missouri lost out on the Big 12 regular season championship but has a chance to win the Big 12 tournament championship this weekend in Kansas City. The Tigers play their first game at 6 p.m. Thursday against the winner of Wednesday's game between Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

If Missouri wins, it'll be sure to call itself the Big 12 Champion.

But before you get impressed by this, or by a national championship banner hanging from the rafter of an arena, do some research first.

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Ellis Smith March 7, 2012 | 6:12 a.m.

This sounds like Freud's "penis envy" to me.

Where, oh where, is Sigmund Freud when we really need him?

Give it up, guys, you're moving to the SEC. Leave the baggage of your past behind!

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Jason Williams March 7, 2012 | 2:42 p.m.

Unfortunately, Kansas won the Big 12 championship whether they win the tournament this weekend or not.

Your analogy about the Super Bowl is bad because the NFL playoffs are like the NCAA tournament. Crowning a conference champion, in that analogy, is like crowning an NFL divisional winner. The divisional winner (or conference winner) is crowned in the regular season before the playoffs or tournament begins. No other sports league has a divisional or conference playoff prior to the actual playoffs. College hoops does it for money, as Mr. Manley says.

It would be nice to capture this tourney on our way out the door, however and hopefully grab a 1 seed.

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Erin Lovella March 7, 2012 | 3:00 p.m.

This article would state the exact opposite if Missouri had ended the conference in first place and everyone knows it. The Tigers had a great, albeit rare, season and I'll be rooting for all Big 12 teams (even those who say they aren't Big 12 anymore) in the NCAA tourney. But I don't understand this whole 'they aren't so great' thing Tiger fans have against Kansas. I mean, so what if they aren't, historically, as storied as Kentucky or UCLA? They're still better than Missouri (whether you count three NCAA championships or five, conference championships or conference tourney championships), and now that the Tigers are leaving the conference, they always will be.

Even if Kentucky and UCLA are better programs than Kansas, isn't it the Wildcat and Bruin fans' right to these types of articles? Reminds me of when I was in eighth grade basketball, and our team got creamed by St. Elizabeth's School, and the only thing I could come up with to make myself feel better was "well, just wait til they play Holy Savior!" And even in eighth grade that was lame.

I guess the argument is that at least now that Missouri is going to the SEC, they'll be beaten yearly by a program with a better history than Kansas. Yippee.

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jason hutson March 7, 2012 | 3:21 p.m.

Thanks for ALWAYS seeming to have us on your minds, lol.

Rock Chalk!

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John Hampton March 7, 2012 | 3:57 p.m.

The Nation Collegiate Athletic Association did not exist until its formation in 1939. In 1936 the Helms Foundation was formed in order to review sports of varying genres and to determine past champions and All Americans in collegiate level football and basketball.

The foundation operated halls of fame for professional football, Major League Baseball, basketball, golf, tennis, swimming, auto racing and track and field.

Remember, the NCAA did not exist. After the NCAA formed in 1939, both institutions conveyed a champion. In all but four years the NCAA winner and Helms selection was same.

The Big 12 Champion. Two answer this never ending debate, ask yourself which is the more difficult accomplishment, 3-4 wins and a trophy or 13-16 wins and a trophy? The Big 12 Tournament Champion (which is the correct title) and the Big 12 (regular season) Champion are two distinctly different titles.

All one has to do is review the historical record of each instution to see where each stands in the history of the 100 years of conferences they've been members to.

Researching this first and you see why this article was written in the first place.

What constitutes a basketball championship? Don't ask Missouri, they've really only seen pictures of these.

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 7, 2012 | 3:58 p.m.

And thanks to you as well for checking up on the Columbia newspapers to make sure that no anti-KU commentary sneaks by unchallenged.

M I Z!

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jason hutson March 7, 2012 | 4:54 p.m.

You're welcome! It's good reading! But remember, second place isn't anything to be mad about, especially if Kansas is in the conference. Enjoy the SEC!

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Alex Edwards March 7, 2012 | 5:01 p.m.

The Helms argument is silly. If Missouri could claim Helms national titles they would.

How do I know this? Because they already claim Helms All-Americans.

Now wait a minute, I thought this Helms thing was a fraud and that those don't really count? Better let your athletic department know!

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Margaret Foster March 7, 2012 | 6:19 p.m.

let's be real, had you won the big 12 regular season title this story wouldn't exist

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Michael Williams March 7, 2012 | 8:09 p.m.

Kansas folks are concerned about their fate once Texas and Oklahoma leave, which they eventually will. Missouri got out while the gettin' was good, and there's resentment about that. I fear the Big 12's arrow is pointed down. Gonna be several lonely orphans.

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frank christian March 7, 2012 | 9:18 p.m.

Margaret Foster - Must the rivalry end after Mizzou leaves KU in the Big 12? We continually hear from Lawrence: You stood us up! No matter why! We are never going to date you again!

Is this a scene from a sorority chick flick? No way, it's house mom Bill Self and the girls at U of KS! Too bad.

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Margaret Foster March 7, 2012 | 10:06 p.m.

Frank- if it's best for us we will play you in the future. What did you expect after leaving the Big 12? As far as the sorority reference, ku won the Big 12 title, in case you forgot, so wouldn't that make mizzou losers to a bunch of sorority girls?

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Ellis Smith March 8, 2012 | 4:37 a.m.

See my post above (first one listed).

Sigmund Freud also has been quoted as saying, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

And sometimes envy is just envy.

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frank christian March 8, 2012 | 8:22 a.m.

Margaret - "if it's best for us we will play you in the future."

Mizzou football schedule is complete. KU is not on it.
Who left the Big 12 and who won the basketball championship, did not cause this.

Sounds much like "a woman scorned" to me.

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Gary Brockman March 8, 2012 | 10:51 a.m.

I can't tell you how much I love reading articles like this one. The more you MO guys/fans attempt to write, say, or tweet disparaging comments regarding K.U., the better we look. Let's many Final Four or National Championship banners hang in the WalMart Hut? Oh...ah...I think it's zero. I forgot, you almost made it once, had it not been for a final uncontested 2 foot shot. In a way, I hope you make it to the Final Four this year (well, not really). It would please your fan base, and you might actually have something real to talk about in the future. Hey, next year you can write about Kentucky and their sterling program. By the way, are you sure the academics at MO are up to the standards of Mississippi, Alabama, and the likes? Hey Kimmie, your program will never come close to touching K.U.'s, but deep down you already know that. Rock Chalk!

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 11:27 a.m.

Let's face it- this oped is just another desperate and lame attempt by muzzuruh to try to narrow the gaping chasm that exists between KU and muzzuruh.

Does it ever embarrass you that the greatest achievement in MU sports history is a conference switch?

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Jason Wiggins March 8, 2012 | 11:49 a.m.

What Constitutes a Basketball Championship? Don't Ask Missouri, They've Never Won One.

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John Hampton March 8, 2012 | 12:35 p.m.

Other than some locker room material...this article was filled with fail from the title (just made myself laugh a little, "Title" - in Missouri these are the words, that they may or may not be able to read and/or comprehend - at the beginning of a story, in Kansas there's another meaning to that word you wouldn't know about) on down.

This is what counts for journalism in that icon of knowledge and intellectualism that is Columbia?

What's funny is that them die hard MU fans will be quoting this and articles like it as fact in conversations and on message boards from this day forward.... still bringing the knife to the gun fight you guys...

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mike mentor March 8, 2012 | 12:39 p.m.

I didn't know there was this many KU fans that could read and write. I guess you learn something new everyday. I realize you know how to play basketball, but being a one trick pony isn't really something to brag about to another institution that will match you in your one trick and outshine you in everything else! Our basketball records are pretty similar, so maybe we should look at the #1 sport of football.
Let's review your big 12 games this past year.
L 45-34
L 70-28
L 47-17
L 59-21
L 43-0
L 13-10
L 31-30
L 61-7
L 24-10

Just in case you have a hard time counting to 9, since you are probably wearing shoes right now, I will fill you in. That was 9 losses and zero wins!
Must have been a bad year. Let's go back another year and look...
L 55-7
L 59-7
L 45-10
L 28-16
L 20-3
L 48-14
L 35-7

WOW! I didn't realize how bad you guys were until I looked that up!

Ha Ha Ha...

How did KU do in the Big 12 wrestling championship? We just won the championship. I didn't hear anything about KU. It's almost like you don't even have a team.

My mom taught me that when a rival is so clearly beat, lying on the ground bruised and battered, that it just isn't right to keep kicking them in the gut. So, I'll stop there...

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 12:54 p.m.

@ Mike Mentor.

"Our basketball records are pretty similar".

You're actaully dumb enough to be serious, aren't you?

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 1:05 p.m.

@ Mike Mentor.

The topic is basketball championships. Get it? At best, mu has one in the history of the B12. KU has won 20 out of 31 regular and tournament championships.

BTW, congratulations on your wrestling championship. Now you have a trophy in the men's case to keep your 2009 B12 men's basketball championship trophy company.

On another topic, if I want to know about the relative importance of ACC regular and tournament championships, I'll ask Mike Krzyzewski or Roy Williams, not Frank Haith. They've won ACC championships. Frank hasn't.

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 1:07 p.m.

I love that the KU fans are using this article to accuse Mizzou fans of being overly obsessed with the Jayhawks, when every single one of them apart from Ellis created an account specifically to respond to the article. I'm curious as to how you all realized this article was even written.

@ Flint Holmwood:

"'Our basketball records are pretty similar'.

You're actaully dumb enough to be serious, aren't you?"

Perhaps you should question your own intelligence, considering that Mike Mentor was specifically referring to our basketball records this year. Notice the comparison to your football scores? Those scores are from this/last year, not your school's entire football history. So, duh?

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 1:48 p.m.


"The M&I Bank Border Showdown Series dates back to 2002. Missouri currently has an advantage in the series with a 7-2 lead in titles. Missouri leads the all-time series with a 208-149 point advantage as of the end of the 2010-2011 school year."

You can certainly quibble over the time frame, but as far as the border war is concerned, yeah, Mizzou is winning big time as of late.

Then there's this:

You can criticize Mizzou all you want for being greedy--aka getting out of the Texas and Friends Conference sinking ship while it still could--but you guys might want to start focusing on other sports beyond men's basketball regardless. Selling out every game at AFH since time immemorial sure didn't prevent your athletics program from incurring a ~$50M debt, and neither did winning your 8th straight regular-season title.

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Ellis Smith March 8, 2012 | 2:14 p.m.

When I previously raised the question of "buyers' remorse" I assumed it wouldn't set in until well after July, 2012, and possibly never.

Whatever. I'd like to know what REALLY happened with the unsuccessful attempt to get into the Big Ten. Possibly a fascinating story.

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 2:26 p.m.

You might notice that the topic is basketball. You might also notice that your trophy case is almost devoid of men's B12 trophies.

I'll ask again. Do you find it embarrassing that Mu's greatest achievement in its sports history is a conference switch?

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Margaret Foster March 8, 2012 | 3:13 p.m.

hey mike, did you know we were talking about basketball? classic mizzou fan, can't back up the basketball program so you start talking football.

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 3:57 p.m.

Hey Margaret, did you know that the MU/KU rivalry is about more than just basketball, and so is Mizzou's decision to change conferences? Classic Kansas fan, can't back up anything else so they only talk basketball.

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Bill James March 8, 2012 | 4:04 p.m.

@Margaret Foster

Not that I really care about this but if Kansas wants to claim a championship, how are they going to do it over Missouri in 1922? They split the series that year and Missouri was 16-1 and Kansas was 16-2.

Not really sure how someone can claim a NC that wasn't awarded at the time it was won.

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 4:21 p.m.

Does it embarrass mu fans that their greatest sports achievement is a conference switch? After all, you've got two NC's-one from the 50's in baseball, one in indoor track from the 60'- you've never played for a NC in basketball or football, you haven't won a regular season championship in either in eighteen years, and you're taking two men's B12 tournament trophies to the SEC. You should be proud.

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 4:25 p.m.

@Mike Mentor

"I didn't know there was this many KU fans that could read and write."

Oh, the irony!

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 4:44 p.m.

@Flint: Hmmmn, you've asked that question three times already and haven't gotten an answer yet. I'm guessing that you interpret our silence as an admission of defeat, not to mention proof positive of our deep shame over our junior-sized trophy case.

But, it's also possible that your question is just dumb and there's no reason to honor a dumb question with an answer. I mean, that IS also a possibility. Just sayin'

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mike mentor March 8, 2012 | 4:47 p.m.

@KU Fans

You do know we are talking about our respective higher learning institutions?

I know, "higher learning institution" is an oxymoron as far as KU goes, but let's move on…

If you want to troll another town's newspaper with claims that your institution is superior to theirs you should expect to discuss your institution and not just one game that it plays.

You are kind of like the kid playing banjo on the porch in Deliverance.

You have done well playing the banjo over the years, but I wouldn't want to trade places with you!

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 5:36 p.m.

Good job with the bait-and-switch too, Jayhawks:

Flint Holmwood asked at 11:27 a.m.:
"Does it ever embarrass you that the greatest achievement in MU sports history is a conference switch?"

(Notice that he used the word "sports" and not "basketball.")

Then John Hampton asked at 12:35 p.m.:
"This is what counts for journalism in that icon of knowledge and intellectualism that is Columbia?"

(Notice that, apart from a fleeting football reference made by Frank Christian, the conversation HAD been until basketball prior to John's question)

Then Flint Holmwood said at 1:05 p.m.:
"The topic is basketball championships."

(Notice how the topic magically is now only about basketball despite what he said earlier)

Then Flint Holmwood asked (again) at 4:21 p.m.:
"Does it embarrass mu fans that their greatest sports achievement is a conference switch? [he then brings up Mizzou baseball, indoor track, and football]"

Make up your mind and stop being a hypocrite, dude.

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 5:37 p.m.

@Mike Mentor

OK, I'm willing to expand the discussion.

"I know, "higher learning institution" is an oxymoron as far as KU goes..." Guess who has produced ten more Rhodes Scholars than muzzuruh!

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 5:50 p.m.

@ Mike Mentor

I was under the impression that mu was going to join the B10 because it was a great fit for your academics.

Now you're joining what is by far the worst academically among BCS conferences. I guess you decided the SEC, i.e., Mississippi State, Auburn, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, etc., was a better academic fit. If you're representative of mu grads, I would certainly agree.

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Flint Holmwood March 8, 2012 | 5:54 p.m.

@ Jonathan HopnSkip

What's wrong with asking how the conference switch rates in your pantheon of mu sports achievements? Frank Christian and Mike Mentor broadened the topic before I did.

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 6:40 p.m.

On Rhodes Scholars:

"Please keep in mind though that the Rhodes Scholarship competition has never been a national one, so state and institutional comparisons are not particularly relevant or meaningful."

"The Scholarships are technically allocated to 'states,' and not to the 'United States,' and for some years early in the last century each state was entitled to the same number of winners (be it either, e.g., New York or Wyoming). ... indeed until just a few years ago ... those colleges and universities in states with relatively fewer other universities and colleges ... inherently offered its graduates far better chances for selection than those with many"

Assuming the numbers are legit...

Total # of higher-education institutions in Kansas: 67
Total # of higher-education institutions in Missouri: 132

...nevermind that Missouri is also home to WashU, one of the most prestigious universities in the world, whereas your all's only competition is K-State.

Lastly, per the Excel file on the Rhodes Scholar website, KU only has 8 more Rhodes Scholars than Mizzou.

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Jonathan Hopfenblatt March 8, 2012 | 6:53 p.m.

@Flint Homecookin':

Erin Lovella and Jason Hutson brought up MU's move to the SEC before Frank and Mike even showed up. So, try again?

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Jake Kasper March 8, 2012 | 7:05 p.m.

This has to be one of the most pathetic articles i've read. How can any team with zero final fours, let alone championships criticize a team who has both?

KU is not kentucky or UCLA? KU is second in all time wins, and 13 final fours. Nearly all college basketball history begins at Kansas. The inventor of the game, James Naismith coached at KU, the only KU coach with a losing record.

Kentucky's greatest coach Adolph Rupp was born and raised in KANSAS, he played under Phog Allen and James Naismith at KANSAS. UNC's greatest coach Dean Smith was born and raised in KANSAS, he too played under Phog Allen and James Naismith at KANSAS. He was once quoted, "everything I ever learned about basketball, I learned at KANSAS". Not to mention, Roy Williams tenure at KANSAS.

The first men's basketball tournament was organized, planned and played in KANSAS.

Jealousy is a stinky cologne...and mizzou wears it very well. It's hard to hate failure, easy to hate success, so keep hating losers.

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John Schultz March 8, 2012 | 8:48 p.m.

Flint (if that's your real name), the only embarrassment I suffer when it comes to Mizzou sports is having been associated with the chuckleheads from Kansas. Some of your fans are so full of themselves that they broke into your silly little chant while walking out of Kauffman Stadium at a Royals home opener a few seasons back. I guess it must be all beaker, all the time in their heads?

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Tim Dance March 8, 2012 | 9:32 p.m.

Wow, what a pathetic bunch of losers KU fans are. Your athletic department is riddle with debt and scandal and despite your glorious basketball history, you could not parlay that into a money generating entity for your University. You make fun of the fact we are going to the SEC. I have a little secret for you, we really want to go. While the Big 12 is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, we'll be in a stable conference and developing a rivalry with the other KU. Despite your glorious basketball team, you were in danger of being one of the forgotten five just a year or so ago. You kiss off the KU/MU rivalry like it was nothing. If it wasn't for MU fans, no one would come see the Jayhawks play in Arrowhead stadium. Again MU will be fine, we are developing a well rounded athletic program, not one that holds up a tiny diamond atop a pile of turd.

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Michael Williams March 9, 2012 | 11:24 p.m.

Baylor 81
KU 72

Lawrence, KS burns again.

PS: Baylor's hungry and out for revenge. MU better be on their game. Gonna be REAL tough.

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John Hampton March 21, 2012 | 2:31 p.m.

Baylor 81
KU 72

Lawrence, KS burns again.

No one will be talking about this and most have likely already forgot it outside Columbia.

How's that loss to NSU leaving you?

The worst upset in NCAA history. The first time EVER that a Top 3 nationally ranked team has lost to a 15 seed EVER.

How's all that taste?

Arguably your best potential for success in Basketball, EVER ... just to have it end like that?

That's just got to feel really bad.

As per the originally quoted game? No one will EVER forget the monumental meltdown of MU in the 2012 NCAA Championship Tournament.

"Final Sixty Four", another "banner" year at the Plaige.

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Alex Kretz March 26, 2012 | 3:03 p.m.

Norfolk State!!!!


Chop up another "NCAA Appearance" banner right next to those impressive NIT banners.

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