Unemployed complain they need a job to find a job

Saturday, February 23, 2013 | 6:00 a.m. CST; updated 5:16 p.m. CST, Saturday, February 23, 2013
Janet Falk, a public relations professional, rides the Roosevelt Island tramway with a Manhattan view behind her Thursday. Falk applied for a public relations job at a New York City law firm two years ago, but the recruiter told her she wouldn’t be considered because she had been unemployed for more than three months.

NEW YORK — Help wanted. Qualifications: Must already have a job.

It's a frustrating catch for those out of work in an era of high unemployment: looking for a job, only to find that some employers don't want anyone who doesn't already have one.

But after four years of above-average joblessness in the U.S., efforts to bar such practices by employers have been met with mixed results.

While New Jersey, Oregon and Washington, D.C., have passed laws making it illegal to discriminate against the unemployed, New York City's billionaire-businessman mayor vetoed on Friday what would have been the most aggressive such measure in the country. Similar proposals have stalled in more than a dozen other states and Congress.

Advocates for the unemployed say such hiring practices are unfair, particularly to those who have been laid off because of the economic crunch and not through any fault of their own. Businesses, though, say that the extent of such practices is exaggerated, hiring decisions are too complicated to legislate, and employers could end up defending themselves against dubious complaints.

Nationally, more than 1 in 3 unemployed workers has been looking for at least six months, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Janet Falk said that when she applied for a public relations job at a New York law firm two years ago, the recruiter told her she wouldn't be considered because she had been out of work for more than three months. The recruiter was being paid to find candidates who were in jobs or just out of them.

"My personal view is that hiring is like musical chairs, and if only the people who are already on the dance floor are playing, then the long-term unemployed can't get in the game," said Falk, who was laid off four years ago. She now runs her own consulting business.

An October 2011 search of New York City-based job listings found more than a dozen that explicitly required candidates to be employed, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer's office said. A broader review that year by the National Employment Law Project found 150 ads that were restricted to or aimed at people currently working.

As for why, experts say employers might think that unemployed applicants' skills have atrophied, that they lost their jobs because of their own shortcomings, or that they will jump at any job offer and then leave as soon as something better comes along.

But "'don't apply, don't even try' is the opposite of American values," New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said when the measure passed last month. She said Friday that she expects the City Council will override Mayor Michael Bloomberg's veto within a month.

Bloomberg called the measure a well-intended but misguided effort that would create more lawsuits than jobs.

"Hiring decisions frequently involve the exercise of independent, subjective judgment about a prospective employee's likely future performance," he said in a statement.

And unlike other characteristics that employers are generally banned from considering, such as an applicant's race, religion or gender, "the circumstances surrounding a person's unemployment status may, in certain situations, be relevant to employers when selecting qualified employees," he said.

Business groups say that no-unemployed-applicants-need-apply ads represent a tiny fraction of the millions of job openings nationwide each year.

One 2011 listing that got city lawmakers' attention — it required that applicants for an opening as a New York legal secretary "must be currently employed" — was mistakenly written that way, said William Alcott, a lawyer for the firm that posted it, McGuireWoods LLP.

"It was not our policy then and isn't our policy now," he said this week.

Like other measures that have passed, the New York City one would ban help-wanted ads that say unemployed applicants won't qualify. It would also more generally prohibit employers from refusing to hire candidates because they are out of work.

But New York's measure would go further than the others by letting rejected applicants sue employers for damages.

Companies see it as government meddling and "creating another basis for unmerited lawsuits against employers," said Kathryn Wylde, president of the Partnership for New York City, an influential business group.

President Barack Obama proposed in 2011 to make it illegal to refuse to consider unemployed applicants.

New Jersey in 2011 became the first state to outlaw the practice. The state Labor Department has gotten one complaint so far and cited a company for an ad that excluded jobless applicants; the case is not yet resolved, the agency said this week.

Oregon and the District of Columbia followed suit last year, while 15 other states considered similar proposals, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed such a measure in California last fall, indicating he wasn't happy with changes made to it.

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Michael Williams February 23, 2013 | 8:00 a.m.

"...those who have been laid off because of the economic crunch and not through any fault of their own."

Employers are playing the odds.

The fact is, in any economic downturn requiring a downsize, employers will make every effort to keep their core group...the employees vital to a restart once the economy improves. Every employer knows who these folks are; those folks get protected and are more likely to keep their jobs. The remainder....not so much.

The group laid-off will contain a higher percentage of those considered less valuable to companies. Those objecting to my use of the word "valuable" need to understand that the underlying premise of employer-employee relationships is "value" to one another.

It's best to be a good employee.......

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Ellis Smith February 23, 2013 | 8:51 a.m.

Right on, Michael. It is also helpful if the good employee happens to have an education the others don't have. And, with the proper major, you can achieve that status by matriculating in Missouri at either MU or MS&T. For some majors an advanced degree isn't necessary (although it may be desirable).

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Michael Williams February 23, 2013 | 9:19 a.m.

Ellis: Lol. I sure hope you get paid the big bucks advertising for MS&T!

You are absolutely right when you say, "It is also helpful if the good employee happens to have an education the others don't have." One of the problems in many work forces is that too many folks want...and can do...a job, regardless of the importance of the job. That places an enormous downpressure on wages and makes it easier for an employer to willynilly reduce his/her workforce without much regard for "value"; after all, in such a circumstance, replacements are easy to come by. I place K-12 teachers in this category as just one example. Social workers and many gov't workers are another.

As Tom Hanks said in 'A League of Their Own', "It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, anyone could do it."

Or somesuch.

Fact is..."hard" pays the big bucks.

I have no objection to folks choosing their life's work based upon what they truly enjoy. Unfortunately, such a decision is also accompanied by no forward-looking effort that determines "Where will I be 20 years from now?" A person doing such a thing and finding themselves under-appreciated and underfunded has little cause for gripe. It's called 'doing it to yourself."

I'm also distressed at folks who do not protect their jobs, even in good economic times. Those who chronically show up late, play on their computers, spend too much time not working, take a preponderance of sick days on Monday and Friday (do you really think employers do NOT notice?), gossip, don't pay attention, argue, gripe, bitch, and otherwise cause their manager problems, have little claim for sympathy when the layoff notice arrives. One does not have to be a butt-kisser to keep a job, but being a butt-pain can bring a pink slip in a real hurry.

Especially when the economy sucks.

Speaking of the economy sucking:

Will this prove true? We're gonna find out.

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Ellis Smith February 23, 2013 | 11:48 a.m.

I get well paid, Michael*. When you took a course in economics didn't your professor explain what "psychic income" is? It doesn't fatten the bank account, but it gives one a nice warm fuzzy feeling iside. :)

I hate to leave this edifying conversation, but I must prepare to leave Sunday morning to go to some place called Columbia, Missouri. I hope I can find it.

*-Colorado School of Mines doesn't pay quite as well, but I love them too. How couldn't you love a public technical institution that has a jackass - not a mule - as its mascot ("Blaster")? Do you think that might catch on elsewhere?

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